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From: "Alex Sumner" <alex_sumner@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Active chapters of the GD
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:41:43 -0000
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"Scott Sampson" <aquarian@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lFmY9.123075$kY3.7363802@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Bright Blessings all!
>    I was curious to know if anyone in this group knows of active chapters
of
> the GD in the Southeast

What, as in Florida?
http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/index.shtml

>    On arelated note, I have read several remarks, in several different
> texts, that seem to clain that Crowley and Mathers, manufactured a
majority
> of the information they provided as regards the higher grades in the GD.
> Anyone found this to be the case.
>    Darragh
>

Regarding the higher grades of the GD, Crowley didn't play a part at all. He
determined the content of the grades of the AA well enough, which he founded
after leaving the GD.

As for Mathers manufacturing the information pertaining to the higher
grades - well, in the sense that the GD Cipher Manuscripts did not specify
the content of any grades above Philosophus, therefore it was up to Mathers
to define what the other grades got up to. However, the material did not
come solely from his own head: he did rely on a lot of influences, for
example:
- the 5=6, 6=5, and 7=4 grades are apparently modelled on their SRIA
equivalents;
- Mathers used large chunks of material from Dr John Dee, Henry Cornelius
Agrippa, Eliphas Lévi, grimoires such as the Greater and Lesser Keys of
Solomon, the Arbatel of Magick, as well as less well known writers such as
Sigismund Bacstrom;
- his colleague Westcott played a not insignificant part as well.

In fact, given the amount of material in the GD that appears in earlier
sources, it would be more accurate to say that far from "manufacturing" the
material, he "synthesised" it from the old material along with his own
original work.

AS
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