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From: bheidrick@aol.com (B Heidrick)
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Date: 18 Dec 2001 13:21:39 GMT
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Subject: Re: Crowley vs. Waite (was: Re: Hermetic QBL Unsupportable? (was Parpola Discovered! ....)
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93 Cat,

   Some comments and a couple links to related material in the on-line
Thelema
Lodge Calendar, relative to your post:

>Waite did not claim (falsely or otherwise) to have
>translated his kabbalah material from Herbrew. He -- like Mathers -- got
>it from the Herbew-to-German translations of Von Rosenroth ("Kabbalah
>Denudata" which Mathers put into English as "Kabbalah Unveiled").

Not quite right in the fiddly-bits.   Rosenroth's KD is about 95% in Latin,
not
German, and the portion Mathers took via intermediary translations for his KU
represents much less than 1/10 of the KD.   Mather's introduction in the KU
is
also not direct work but a slight edit of Ginsberg's essay on "Kabbalah".

>Likewise, what are we to make of Crowley ghostwriting books for
>Evangeline Adams?

A link comparing a portion of the Crowley TS with the published version in
the
Adams books:

http://billheidrick.com/tlc1992/tlc0992.htm#cc

>Crowley hated Waite
>for personal reasons having to do with the deposing of Mathers and the
>break-up of the Golden Dawn, which left Crowley without an organization
>in which he could attain high grades and ranks. 

More to it than that, and possibly a different slant in as much as Crowley
claimed the Secret Chiefs invested him with the authority to correct and
continue the G.'.D.'. as A.'.A.'..   Crowley particularly ragged Waite over
blinds introduced in the book that started Crowley's studies of Magic/k.

On the latter (plus some controversial remarks on other things):

http://billheidrick.com/tlc1988/tlc0688.htm#fob

Home page for the above at:

http://members.ao..com/bheidrick

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Bill
heidrick@well.com