From postmaster@bjt.net Tue Oct 7 08:44:36 1997 Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk (maila.central.susx.ac.uk [139.184.4.12]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24997 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:44:34 -0700 Received: from maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xIbsd-000XLQC; Tue, 7 Oct 97 16:49 BST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 16:49 BST From: To: tyagi@bjt.net Subject: mail failed, returning to sender Reference: Status: RO |------------------------- Message log follows: -------------------------| no valid recipients were found for this message |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| ... unknown user |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: from bay2.bjt.net by maila.uscs.susx.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xIbsc-000XLPC; Tue, 7 Oct 97 16:49 BST Received: from bay1.bjt.net (tyagi@bay1.bjt.net [207.201.6.1]) by bay2.bjt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24991 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:44:08 -0700 Received: (from tyagi@localhost) by bay1.bjt.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id IAA00932 for mmui@central.sussex.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:44:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199710071544.IAA00932@bay1.bjt.net> Subject: Re: Magick and the power that isn't To: mmui@central.sussex.ac.uk (K 18) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <343A298F.70A5@central.sussex.ac.uk> from "K 18" at Oct 7, 97 01:22:39 pm From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Orientation: House of Kaos, St. Joseph, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 49971007 aa2 Hail Satan! Lilimas! # Please get into contact with me. I am currently studying Liber 777 # by Mr. Crowley. it is like reading an owners-operator's manual for Crowley's mind. if you are sufficiently alike to Crowley then it may assist you, otherwise it may just confuse and distract. # There have been times when I have come damn close to # burning this book, but I cannot step of the path - this sounds confused. I would instead recommend _Book Four_ for specific ideological and practical information in ceremonial and general magick. barring that, I have heard that Michael Kraig's book is satisfactory for the ceremonial style. I am not of this style myself, being more alike to you than to ceremonialists, though I come in through the back door, so to speak. # I need instruction as to the meditative states needed to achieve Magick as I know it, this is a misperception of what magick is about, though of course there are many ideas as to what magick is. the type of instruction you are asking about may be best instructed personally, not via computer. I *can* attest to what I think are valuable meditation *methods* that may assist magical practice, of course, and this includes any single-pointed focus, such as staring at a candle-flame for brief periods, sitting with spine straight and watching the breath, laying on back while not sleepy and observing all that occurs in the body, etc. # which sofar I have only been able to reach with the aid of hallucinogens. having had some experience with these types of psychoactive substances, I no longer use that characterization but instead 'pschedelics'. I find that structured ingestion has been most effective (ritualized) and that this has simultaneously allowed me to develop a relationship with them and allow their assistance in my integration. I have supplemented this experience with a lot of book study and exploration of some group rites. # I have no fear of the art and I understand the value of everything. yeah, sure. tyagi