Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3E224A70.877EA36B@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: order@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. 707-887-1521 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.order,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.thelema,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: The Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn (LONG response to 333) References: <3D9BFF4B.26D0DF5F@address.com> <3DA64F4F.C1EC119B@address.com> <3E223074.6D020E17@slip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 05:01:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.150.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1042434117 209.204.150.203 (Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:01:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:01:57 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:332035 alt.magick.order:7067 alt.magick.tyagi:35678 alt.pagan.magick:35459 Message-ID: <3E223074.6D020E17@slip.net> ~From: "Fr. A.o.C." [everything snipped, all of it. go back and read it in google.] Hey, Max, that was an entertaining and enlightening response to siva's questions. Thanks to Sam for contributing, also. I think that this series of exchanges is beginning to clarify my understanding of what the OSOGD is up to when replacing Horus with Set and Osiris with Horus. I especially appreciate the inclusion of the (Jungian) Shadow represented by Set. I do have a small quibble still re: your reference to "paganism" and Osiris as the "green man" or vegetation god. The emasculation of Osiris is consonant with Christian myth, as you bolted, but it is certainly not the paradigm for all pagan religions. See, for instance, Tamuuz / Dumuzi -- a vegetation god and shepherd god (two in one) whose penis was not ever chopped off but was said to spring up like a bolting lettuce stalk growing by the water. Sure, he dies and goes to become king of the underworld (playing on his carnelian flute to please the women there), but there is no way to correlate either his lettuce stalk or his flute with the Osirian cock-less wonder. As far as i know, Osiris is somewhat of an anomaly in that regard. Even Jesus was said to have boffed Mary Magdalen, thus giving rise to the Merovingian kings of France! I am not denying the valid interest you have in retaining the paganist elements in the HOGD, which were rescinded for the initiate who joined the Christianized RR+AC -- just pointing out that you might have chosen another godform than Horus for the East. What about Min, for instance. There was guy who knew how to wield his staff! Yours from the sidelines, cat yronwode