Path: typhoon.sonic.net!vnetnews.value.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nntp-cust.primenet.com!natasha.rmii.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.211.168.17!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 From: browe@one.DeleteThis.net (Josh Norton) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Enochian - Liber Scientiae Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:31:30 GMT Organization: Norton's Imperium Lines: 56 Message-ID: <391acd66.786771@news.newsguy.com> References: <391A0C47.E56365E4@forme.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-254.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:192089 On Thu, 11 May 2000 01:30:43 GMT, Dagoril wrote: >After reading the Dangers of Enochian thread, I thought I might start a >sequential series of Enochian workings. I'm looking in Mysteria Magica >by Denning & Phillips if anyone has the book handy, pp. 223-246. I've >summoned individual Good Ministers before as a part of ritual; what I >was thinking of doing was the entire sequence of 91 Good Ministers, over >a year's time or whatever. Just evoking one, not for any particular >purpose, just to get the "feel" of it. I thought I would start with TEX >and work my way up. > >However, looking at these pages of the book, I notice a big gap from >#67-87 (p. 236), labeled 'The Powers of the Vials of Wrath (In operibus >de sigillo AEMETH)'. My questions are these; 1). Has anyone done >anything like this with the Liber Scientiae? Is this a good idea? 2). >Some other procedure seems to be necessary for those Ministers, >apparently involving the Sigillum Dei Aemeth. What is this procedure? >3). Why might D & P leave this big gap in an otherwise great book? Nitpicking note: What you call the "Ministers" are -- according to Dee's records -- actually something like "regions" of the magickal universe, each one corresponding in part to one or more areas of the physical globe. The belief that they were ministers of the Aethyrs was an error by whatever person assembled the G.D. version of the Enochian lore, who apparently failed to read a line of Latin in the diary that clarified the distinction. Take a look at the Enochian Magick Reference (http://w3.one.net/~browe/enochian.htm) for more information on this subject. You can take a look at the magical record of my (at present half-complete) invocations of the 91 "Parts of the Earth" at http://w3.one.net/~browe/papers/91intro.html. Rather than doing as you contemplate, I started with #1 and worked my way down, which seemed to work all right; don't see any compelling reason to do them in reverse sequence. The text includes summaries of the two different methods I used in the invocations, but you'll need to hunt for them among the records for the first ten Parts or so. The Denning and Phillips method of using the Parts produces slightly different results. Since they incorporated the Second Call into their invocation process, their results tend to be focused more towards the material end of things than the spiritual; their work seems to be a catalog of the various numbered-but-unnamed ministers who dwell in each of the Parts, rather than a description of the Parts' natures per se. Josh Qui me amat, amat et canem meum. -- St. Bernard of Clairvaux Josh Norton -- browe at one dot net