Path: Supernews!supernews.com!news.IAEhv.nl!usenet.logical.net!demos!Gamma.RU!srcc!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.slip.net!news.slip.net!slip-3.slip.net!maxx From: "Joseph Max.555" Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: The Shuelers and Enochian Magic Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 20:18:35 -0700 Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Lines: 59 Message-ID: References: <338a793d.650037@snews.zippo.com> Reply-To: "Joseph Max.555" NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-3.slip.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <338a793d.650037@snews.zippo.com> Xref: Supernews alt.magick:102668 On Tue, 27 May 1997, kingsword wrote: > On Sun, 25 May 1997 17:32:29 -0700, "Joseph Max.555" > wrote: > > (Much good material snipped....) > > >Now, a _real_ Enochian Magician simply _must_ have a copy of the original > >work itself, _A True And Faithful Relation Of What Passed For Many Years > >Between Doctor John Dee And Some Spirits_, by Meric Causabon, published > >around 1650ce. Magickal Childe Books reprinted it recently in a huge, > >beautiful leather covered edition available for around $200. But > >it's all from the _original_ papers of John Dee, as archived in the > >British Museum. My group chipped in for a copy. > >------ > > > Much of what you say is valuable. We have the old Askin leather > edition of "True Relation" -- but "The True and Faithful Relation" is > neither true nor faithful. Causabon's purpose in publishing the book > was to discredit revelatory visions (anti-Roundhead, as I recall) and > he was not concerned with the accuracy of what he culled from Dee's > MSS. Absolutely correct. There's a very good expose of Causabon's "agenda" in Frances Yates "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment" (Ark, 1972) "The publication of Dee's diaries [by Causabon] was certainly part of a general campaign against enthusiasts and illuminati being worked up at the time. In his preface, Causabon states that Dee, like Trithemius and Paracelsus, was inspired by the devil. This campaign ruined Dee's reputation a deprived him for ceturies of the credit for his important scientific work. (...) John Webster published a defense of Dee in which he exposed Causabon's motives for their publication. {John Webster, "The Displaying of Supposed Witchcraft", 1677}" > The later corrections (Raphael's Recension, etc.) were not > included. For those, I would refer people to _Mysteria Magica_, the most readily available source. > Clay Holden and Pat Zalewski know more about this than I do > and I'd like to see their opinion on it. Is there a compendium of the > Enochian eratta for True Relation? If not, shouldn't somebody create > one if this book continues to be published? (Remember: "Book H" > came directly from True Relation -- so we already have a deeply > embedded spin-off to contend with. Thoughts and ideas??? Somewhere in my files I have a "compare and contrast" of material from "True and Faithful" to that that was ommitted, and the GD and Crowley works. I think it may have come from Benjamin, back in the old "Enochian" forum on PODSnet. At any rate, I'd love to see it too. - J:.M:.555 "To believe is to know you believe, and to know you beileve is not to believe. -- Sartre