Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.order,alt.magick.serious,relcom.arts.magick,alt.magick.theurgia,alt.magick.goetia,alt.magick Subject: GD Ms. Beliefs (was Fraudulent ...) References: <423e3dbc.0207132250.2bc902df@posting.google.com> From: nigris333 Reply-To: spam@yronwode.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 40 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:41:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1027449688 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:41:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:41:28 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.order:6735 alt.magick.serious:21913 relcom.arts.magick:6458 alt.magick.theurgia:230 alt.magick.goetia:1428 alt.magick:310676 50020723 kaos day! VIIom yekhidah@aol.com (Yekhidah): >I found this info on the web for the history of the Golden Dawn. >THE HISTORY OF THE THELEMIC ORDER OF THE GOLDEN DAWN >By David Cherubim >(Frater Aurora Aureae) >Copyright (c) 2001 e.v. >The Order of the >Thelemic Golden Dawn. thank you very much for posting this. I excerpt the bit about the GD cypher manuscript here for recent interest's sake. >We shall begin in the year 1887, when Dr. William Wynn Westcott >(1848-1925), a London Coroner, Theosophist, Freemason and Rosicrucian, >obtained a Cipher Manuscript from a debatable or rather unknown >source. In this Cipher MS. there were contained skeleton rituals of >initiation, attributions of the Tarot Trumps to the letters of the >Hebrew Alphabet, and the name and address of a Rosicrucian Adept >located in Germany, Soror Sapiens Dominabitur Astris (Fräulein >Sprengel). Westcott wrote to her with the result that in November of >1887 she authorized him to found an English branch of the Golden Dawn. obviously people like David Cherubim still believe in Sr. Sprengel. I've met many who still haven't the foggiest about the details. it appears that the 'Sprengel Ruse' has fooled people down through the century, probably due to the nature of disinformation and the willingness of the religious to believe the best of their Masters. > ... > >...Westcott invited both Woodman and Mathers to >join him as Chiefs of the Isis-Urania Temple of the Golden Dawn. It >was Mathers who assisted Westcott in decoding the Cipher MS. apparently on the word of Mathers, who lied about this, Westcott having done the translation entire, being familiar with the Trithemian code. nigris333