Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.goetia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism Subject: Re: Evocation to Imaginable Manifestation? (was The Book of Solomon's Magick) Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 15 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8qqnps$ol4@bolt.sonic.net> References: <8qg92q$hsh@bolt.sonic.net> <20000922201453.07845.00000452@ng-da1.aol.com> <8qhbj4$9cu@bolt.sonic.net> <39cde470.5236401@news.earthlink.net> <8qo037$4h@bolt.sonic.net> <8qp0je$oq@bolt.sonic.net> <39d02777.33554594@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:45:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 969990338 208.201.224.36 (Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:45:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:45:38 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:25381 alt.magick:211342 alt.magick.goetia:504 alt.christnet.demonology:11790 alt.satanism:157318 50000926 Vom Re O'Stat : >...Dion Fortune most definitely was a member of the Stella >Matutina which, of course, was one of the continuations of the Golden >Dawn. In fact, the most popular version of the rituals and knowledge of >the Golden Dawn (The version published originally by Ares Press and now >by Llewellyn) are actually from the Stella Matutina. So, for all >practical purposes, Dion Fortune was a member of the direct descendent >of the G.D. thanks. my memory was hazy but something similar. it did seem like a slight dodge on Mr. Runyon's part. nagasiva Path: typhoon.sonic.net!vnetnews.value.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsxfer.interpacket.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!typhoon.we.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Re OıStat Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.goetia,alt.christnet.demonology Subject: Re: Evocation to Imaginable Manifestation? (was The Book of Solomon's Magick) Organization: Tantric Psychological Association References: <8qg92q$hsh@bolt.sonic.net> <20000922201453.07845.00000452@ng-da1.aol.com> <8qhbj4$9cu@bolt.sonic.net> <39cde470.5236401@news.earthlink.net> <8qo037$4h@bolt.sonic.net> <8qp0je$oq@bolt.sonic.net> <39d02777.33554594@news.earthlink.net> <8qugf2$7n7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 58 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:07:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.130.57.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.we.rr.com 970117649 24.130.57.56 (Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:07:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:07:29 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:25432 alt.magick:211456 alt.magick.goetia:526 alt.christnet.demonology:11825 In article <8qugf2$7n7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, slarty1@my-deja.com wrote: > > Poke wrote: > > No. Wrong again. > > Dion Fortune was not a member of the Golden Dawn. Re: wrote: >> Dion Fortune most definitely was a member of the Stella > > Matutina which, of course, was one of the continuations of the Golden > > Dawn. In fact, the most popular version of the rituals and knowledge of > > the Golden Dawn (The version published originally by Ares Press and now > > by Llewellyn) are actually from the Stella Matutina. So, for all > > practical purposes, Dion Fortune was a member of the direct descendent > > of the G.D. > > Slarty wrote: > Are you sure of your data, here? I read that Unkle Al had met her in > the G.D. Was Crowley not a member of the origonal G.D.? Thanks for asking. Both you and I were both in error. According to the book, The Story of Dion Fortune by Fielding and Collins (P. 38), ³Brodie Innes did not run a break-away movement from the Golden Dawn. He was quite well regarded within that organization and was allowed to run his own particular version of the Golden Dawn system and was given considerable latitude to do so...His group was the Alpha et Omega and was a duly accredited branch of the main order... ³[Dion Fortune] was accepted and initiated into Alpha et Omega about the end of World War I...² According to Kingıs The Rites of Modern Occult Magic (P. 142), Fortune ³was initiated as a Neophyte of the Alpha et Omega in 1919.² And on P. 113. ³...Crowley eventually founded his Order (1907)...² This order was the A.A. which was supposed to supercede the G.D. In 1909 Crowley said he was going to publish the Inner Order rituals which resulted in Mathers getting a restraining order to temporarily stop him. So Crowley was definitely out of the G.D. before 1910. It was 9 years before Fortune joined the G.D. So, here is a summation of the facts: 1) Poke is wrong. Dion Fortune was a member of a legitimate versions of the Golden Dawn using the name Alpha et Omega. 2) I was wrong in saying that she was a member of the S.M. She was a member of another legitimate Golden Dawn group. 3) Crowley could not have met Fortune in the Golden Dawn as he was no longer a member by that time. Re