Path: typhoon.sonic.net!vnetnews.value.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!lsnws01.we.mediaone.net!typhoon.we.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Re OıStat Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick Subject: Re: Condemnatory vs. Exaltatory Labels (was 777) Organization: Tantric Psychological Association References: <20001007225245.17880.00000553@ng-bj1.aol.com> <8t77jj$bfm@bolt.sonic.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 134 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:43:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.130.22.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.we.rr.com 972506621 24.130.22.16 (Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:43:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:43:41 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:25812 alt.satanism:160732 alt.pagan.magick:25201 alt.magick:214154 In article <8t77jj$bfm@bolt.sonic.net>, spam@luckymojo.com wrote: > 50001025 Vom nagasivamas > > "Anthra-Andromda": > >> It is ever the way of the Black Brothers, > > ulfheobar@aol.com (Ulfheobar): > > Just who are the black brothers? And use your own words not crowleys. > > magicians whom you do not like and upon whom you would like to > cast aspersions of amorality, evilness, and depravity. it seems > to derive from Crowley's expression in reflection of the > Blavatskyan Black Brotherhood in contrast to the Great White > Brotherhood of Rosicrucians and Theosophists. In Magick Without Tears, number 12, Crowley writes (selections): ³The Left-Hand Path The ŒBlack Brotherı ³ ³As far as the achievement or attainment is concerned, the two Paths [LHP & RHP] are in fact identical.³ ³Mark well this first distinction: the ŒBlack Magicianı or Sorcerer is hardly even a distant cousin of the ŒBlack Brother.ı The difference between a sneak-thief and a Hitler is not too bad an analogy.³ ³Now, if there is any difference at all between the White and the Black Adept in similar case [invoking Diana or calling up Lilith], it is that the one, working by Œlove under willı achieves a marriage with the new idea, while the other, merely grabbing, adds a concubine to his harem of slaves. ³This about-to-be-Black Brother constantly restricts himself; he is satisfied with a very limited ideal; he is afraid of losing his individuality - reminds one of that ŒNordicı twaddle about Œrace-pollution.ı² ³Perhaps the Black Brother deserts his [H.G.] Angel when he realises the Programme. ³Perhaps hi error was so deeply rooted, from the very beginning, that it was his Evil Genius that he evoked [and not the H.G.A.]. ³In such cases the manıs policy is of course to break off all relations with the Supernal Triad, and to replace it by inventing a false crown, Daath. To them Knowledge will be everything, and what is Knowledge but the very soul of illusion?² Later, AC quotes from his own Vision and the Voice concerning what is done by the Black Brothers: ³For Choronzon is as it were the shell or excrement of these three paths, and therefore is his head raised unto Daath, and therefore have the Black Brotherhood declared him to be the child of Wisdom and Understanding, who is but the bastard of the Svastika. And this is that which is written in the Holy Qabalah, concerning the Whirlpool and Leviathan, and the Great Stone.² > > >> those of the Left hand path, to squelch the truth, and hide the light, > > > I think self honesty is a common enough thing amongst those usually > > called left hand pathers... And as far as I know most of the organizations called > > left hand path denounce the lies that the right hand pathers promote. > > nah, you don't understand the Way of the Great Martyrdom Cult. taking > the Demonization Libel on as a positive identifier is how the Cult works. > the second wave or generation of this cult begins to think that it has > always been this way and defends the castigation as unfair and poor > pitiful misunderstandings. this is how it was with magicians and with > witches and just about all the neuvoreligious other than, perhaps, the > New Agers. it goes way WAY back, and includes early Christians and > many Satanists. try: > > http://www.satanservice.org/archive/theory/gmcult.txt > > > Squelching truth is something for those who cannot understand that > > every motive is in itself a selfish motive. > > well said. > > > Hiding the light? Which left hand path > > organization/religion/philosophy/individual/group are you refering to > > exactly? > > almost any one which is demonized would qualify here, because 'hiding > Light' is what the scaremongers put out as the Evil Act of Bad Guys. > > >> even if they replace it with nothing. > > > If there is nothing than what do you replace it with? Are the > > Hindu's who believe we are nothing left hand pathers? > > no, you're missing the point again. "Left-Hand Path" derives form an > Indian ritual in which the controversy of the style of the sexual > element which is part of it is indicated by whether the woman whom > the man that is the center of the rite sits on his right (a known > partner) or his left (some random woman, a whore, or some other kind > of controversial pairing). > > later that term is generalized to mean 'scandalous spirituality', and > still later, 'evil ritual activities'. later still it is taken up to > mean 'thrill-seeking occult adventurer with few moral constraints > interested in wrathful iconography, psychoactives, peculiar sexual > practices, body decoration, body modification, abstruse philophy'. I think this may not be completely accurate due to the idea the ³Left-Hand Path² actually has two meanings. The first, and most commonly understood, is simply do to the fact that the word for ³left² in French and Latin has the same source as the word ³sinister.² Thus, ³sinister² magick is LHP and is evil. While you are correct that there is a Tantric Ritual, the nature of which is indicated by the side at which the Sakthi sits next to practitioner, the difference between Vamamarg (LHP) and Dakshinamarg (RHP) Tantra are far deeper than that. Specifically, the Dakshinamarg Tantric believes that all descriptions of worship and magick are symbolic, meant to be visualized in certain ways resulting in changes of the spiritual and physical bodies. The Vamamarg Tantric believes that the described physical practices should be performed, and the results of that performance are changes in the spiritual and physical bodies. Traditionally, both were accepted in India. Each person followed what he or she needed. However, especially after the Moslem and then British control of India, with their anti-sexual attitudes, many have come to say that Vamamarg is bad and even question the value of Dakshinamarg. Re