Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bloodofenoch@goddamnfruit.com ({ Secret Chief }) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.thelema,alt.magick.order,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Re: GD Perspective on OS Thelemic Switch? Date: 13 Dec 2002 07:31:59 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <3DF57E70.89F1545F@shaw.ca> <3DF59C48.531F2F36@shaw.ca> <3DF8142E.765D@luckymojo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.196.123.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1039793519 15979 127.0.0.1 (13 Dec 2002 15:31:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2002 15:31:59 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35319 alt.magick:329066 alt.magick.order:6984 alt.pagan.magick:35195 Re O'Stat wrote in message news:... > Doesn't make it better or worse than the HOGD...just different. Re, In the years since the split-up of the original order, a *lot* of things have attached themselves to the Golden Dawn system that were not part of the original. The Middle Pillar ritual for instance *was not* taught in Mathers' and Westcott's order, but was a later invention by Dr. Felkin and the Stella Matutina. Nevertheless, it has become a key practice for people who call themselves Golden Dawn magicians. Likewise, the Opening by Watchtower has become a cornerstone of GD work, but it was written by Regardie. So innovation in and of itsef is not a problem for GD legitimacy, as I'm sure you agree. But what you are saying is that the specific innovations of the OSOGD - especially putting Horus in the East - somehow strike at the heart of what the GD is all about. Okay, I'll bite. What *is* the GD all about? What principle lies behind it? And how does that principle make it necessary for Osiris to be in the East? I think there is a good argument to be made for this. Think about it; respond. And don't let us all down with a cop-out like "GD is GD; Thelema is Thelema". Best, - Secret Chief http://bluepyramid.tripod.com