Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: bloodofenoch@goddamnfruit.com ({ Secret Chief }) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: I help AS!!! Date: 31 Jan 2003 01:01:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.196.127.227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1044003700 17750 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2003 09:01:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2003 09:01:40 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:334825 My friend Al Billings wrote: > > Rather than simply deconstructing the simple banishing and energizing > rites, you might find it a bit more fruitful (if you are attempting to > show how "imitative" the Aurum Solis is) to look at the actual meet of > the rites. > > What about the Magician formula or that of the Watcher? What about > the Gnostic? What about the consecration rites for the tools? What > about the recently published consecration rites for a Temenos or > Telestarion or the rites for each of the Three Halls? > You are picking the simplest of the A.S. rites with the most obvious > links to G.D. stuff (never denied on at least one level by myself) and > then drawing your conclusions from it. You'd be better off looking at > the rest of our rites, which are quite different than any of the > Golden Dawn's work. So basically what you're saying is that I'm right to a given extent, and that some Aurum Solis rituals are unacknowledgedly derivative of the Golden Dawn. The implication of this is that these parts of the corpus must post-date at least the publication of GD materials by Crowley in the Equinox, if not Regardie's book. And if these parts post-date the Equinox (more likely Regardie's book) it is the antiquity of the other parts has to be suspect as well. However, none of this matters, since I'm "just a bystander" and "some alt.magick.wanker type who is going on and on with your buddy poke about the mean ol' Aurum Solis and it's made up history." I can live with that.