From thelema93-l-owner@www.hollyfeld.org Wed Jul 28 17:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yronwode@prog-relay.sonic.net Received: (qmail 13107 invoked from network); 28 Jul 1999 17:44:08 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (root@208.201.224.8) by buzz.sonic.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 1999 17:44:08 -0000 Received: from www.hollyfeld.org (209-67-233-180.bst0.flashcom.net [209.67.233.180]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06377 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:44:06 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22617 for thelema93-l-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:54:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.hollyfeld.org: majordom set sender to owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org using -f Received: from mail.camalott.com (IDENT:brianbet@mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by www.hollyfeld.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22612 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:54:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (brianbet@localhost) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18554 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:55:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:55:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Subject: Re: GOETIA In-Reply-To: <199907281700.MAA16216@mw1.texas.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org Status: RO My own limited experience in these matters has been that a manifesting medium of any sort is -- if not a necessity -- then at least an extremely good idea. Incense smoke seems to work well, as does the use of a "dark" mirror - akin to a regular mirror, except its reflecting surface is black instead of silver. The operation in this case becomes rather akin to traditional scrying, and it is best accompanied by a healthy number of flickering candles and incense smoke to add to the effect. Spooky. Supposedly, a slightly dampened incense mixture of wormwood and mugwort is a good manifesting medium for Goetic operations, with the added bonus of the resultant fumes being mildly hallucinogenic. I have not tried this myself, but an online acquaintance of mine who has done extensive Goetic work assures me that the mixture is quite effective. I wouldn't want to use it anywhere but outdoors, though. And the gods only know what exactly it's doing to one's fragile little mind. ;) Brian On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, C Baphemetis wrote: > 93, > > Weeeeelllll, my experience with Goetia is limited > to a few workings, since I'm not all that interested > in commanding and banishing demons..... but, I've > had some luck with visible appearance - using lots > of incense gives them something to "form up" with, > I think, so that's one suggestion.... I guess it could > seem like "cheating" but there's a big difference between > the usual cloud of incense and seeing it all mass together > into a visible "shape". > > The most intense manifestation was an audible > voice. Not pleasant. Not one I particularly would > seek out again. But very audible, to all 3 people > present. > > - clk > 93 93/93 > > > > At 09:24 AM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > >93! > >Continuing my original message, I'd like to know if anyone has actually had > >success in EVOKING a Goetic spirit? I don't think many people do. Crowley > >didn't really have much success. But Crowley is not the only person who ever > >tried it either. I've never had any success conjuring them to visable > >appearance. One could sit there all day waiting to see some shit and never > >actually get anything done with the ritual either. I now am starting to > >invoke at the begining of the operation and wait to see in the third eye or > >feel the presence of the spirit. Once I feel certain of the presence I whip > >out the old hexagram and command the spirit into the triangle. This is the > >only success I've found. Somebody, please? Doesn't anyone know what's up? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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