Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3D3610D3.12F9@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: cat@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick.order,alt.magick.serious,relcom.arts.magick,alt.magick.theurgia,alt.magick.goetia,alt.magick Subject: Re: Fraudulent Hermetic Orders References: <3D299E3A.3070908@b.c> <423e3dbc.0207132250.2bc902df@posting.google.com> <3d34e53c.35692990@trialnews.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:44:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.150.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1026953057 209.204.150.224 (Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:44:17 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:44:17 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.order:6568 alt.magick.serious:21778 relcom.arts.magick:6342 alt.magick.theurgia:114 alt.magick.goetia:1312 alt.magick:310142 Tom wrote: > > "Gnome d Plume" wrote "Tom" wrote: [unattribued] wrote: > > > > We shall begin in the year 1887, when Dr. William Wynn > > > > Westcott (1848-1925), a London Coroner, Theosophist, Freemason > > > > and Rosicrucian, obtained a Cipher Manuscript from a > > > > debatable or rather unknown source. > > > Evidence strongly indicates that he forged it himself. > > Wrong. > > > > The evidence proves that he forged one page himself (the > > "older from" 0=0 admission page) and added a page on the Enochian > > Tablet of Union. The majority of the Cypher MS. was probably the > > work of Kenneth Mackenzie with help from Frederick Hockley. It was > > certainly not written by Westcott of Mathers, as all authorities > > agree---See *Secrets of the Golden Dawn Cypher Manuscript* > No, it's not wrong. Westcott forged the so-called "Cypher > Manuscript" and his claims to have been in contact with a German > adept who authorized him to begin a magical order based on that > forged manuscript were lies. > All you're saying is that he didn't write all of it himself. He > wrote some of it and plagiarized the rest, and then deliberately > misrepresented all of it. > > So you're claiming that if someone forges a document and, along with > material that he collected from others, passes the lot of it off as > something it was not, that's not forgery? Poke did not claim that it's not forgery. Read what he wrote. He disputed your *attribution* of the forgery. You claimed Wescott forged it. Poke said that the forgery was by MacKenzie with the help of Hockley, to which Wescott only added one page. cat yronwode The Esoteric Archive --------- http://www.luckymojo.com/esoteric.html