Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!858ef74f!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F9F147D.3060301@earthlink.net> From: Dagon Productions User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.chaos,alt.usenet.kooks Subject: Re: Nomination for idiot sock of the month: Goddess of Whistle-Pigs References: <4751pvgtbgksm8u37i5mrkldov255ib501@4ax.com> <3F94C50D.9175B781@luckymojo.com> <3F99A225.9050501@earthlink.net> <3F9DDCD4.6070303@earthlink.net> <3F9DF55D.3040107@earthlink.net> <3F9E0EF1.8090805@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 517 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:13:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.167.131.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1067390029 66.167.131.87 (Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:13:49 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:13:49 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.wicca:771544 alt.magick.tyagi:42078 alt.magick.chaos:43472 alt.usenet.kooks:650315 Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >Dagon Productions poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >news:3F9E0EF1.8090805@earthlink.net: at the world. > > > >>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >> >> >> >>>Dagon Productions poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >>>news:3F9DF55D.3040107@earthlink.net: at the world. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Dagon Productions poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >>>>>news:3F9DDCD4.6070303@earthlink.net: at the world. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Goddess of Groundhogs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Dagon Productions poked his/her head out of his hole and screamed >>>>>>>news:3F99A225.9050501@earthlink.net: at the world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I don't live in a hole like yourself Ms Whistle Pig... such idiotic >>>>>>projection on your part. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, my run of "luck" has lasted 20 some years... no problems at >>>>>>>>all... Tyagi and Cat have been >>>>>>>>helpful to me on a few occasions over the years and never have done >>>>>>>>anything to cross >>>>>>>>me or denigrate me whatsoever. This is not to say we see eye to >>>>>>>>eye on everything... >>>>>>>>me and Tyagi used to be involved in some intensive debates >>>>>>>>regarding the IOT when >>>>>>>>I first got on the net around the '91 or so... but they were >>>>>>>>gentlemanly and respectful, >>>>>>>>so no problems here with either of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I haven't had any personal problems with them, either, but that >>>>>>>doesn't take away from the fact that they've posted personal >>>>>>>information of people who they don't see eye to eye with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>So it really isn't your issue and it is between Cat & Tyagi and those >>>>>>that this may have >>>>>>happened to... how about posting some google archives to prove your >>>>>>point. I've never >>>>>>have observed them doing this in 20 years... not to say it didn't >>>>>>happen or the circumstances >>>>>>may or may not have warranted it. Back up your accusations and maybe >>>>>>I will take what >>>>>>you say worth more than a grain of salt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>http://tinyurl.com/smod >>>>> >>>>>That's chronological, ascending. I'd start at the back and work >>>>>forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>After a quick read through I find nothing inflammatory. That you or >>>>others do not like being >>>>labeled trolls on a website is your own problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Oh, I freely admit I'm a troll. Being "officially" labled one means >>>nothing. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>So why the big fuss? >> >> > >Very simple. >Just because -I- admit to my trolldom, have no problem with my real name, >or where I live being known, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. > >But let's discard this troll-outting thing. Let's talk about how they (in >one form or another) try to decree what -we- on alt.religion.wicca post. >Nagasiva (I hope that's spelled right) has come to arw, posted things, set >followups to alt.flame and refuses to reply. -especially to me, since I >don't allow google to archive my posts. He's got the right to do what he >likes, granted. I just feel it's cowardly. > alt.religion.wicca says it all... a made up religion with a false lineage many attempt to perpetrate on the masses. > > > >>>>I've put up hate >>>>mail, threats, etc on >>>>usenet... do I let it get my panties all in a wad... no. I suggest >>>>you take a deep breath >>>>and as Josh used to state "Go Away." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Tell Josh no, thanks, I'm gonna stay a while. >>> >>> >>> >>Which shows you never got what Josh meant by his statement. >> >> > >I don't even know who Josh is, much less what he meant. > Ignorance is bliss now isn't it. > > > >>>Have you ever put up a website with people's real names? >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, the Reverand Fred Phelps. >> >> > >I've gotta google that... I'm unfamiliar and right now time isn't on my >side. Perhaps later tonight, if I remember. (remind me, please?) > > Well, you can read about it in the next New Falcon edition of "The Psychopath's Bible"... though the names have been changed to protect ourselves from any legal repercussions. > > >>>Have you ever posted people's where-abouts? Addresses? Phone numbers? >>> >>> >>> >>Whereabouts... Yes... Addresses... Yes (PO Boxes)... Phone Numbers... >>only those >>publically listed. >> >> > >If something is public domain, such as arin registration or the phone >book, then there's not that much to fuss about. (other than the obsessive >nature of doing that in the first place) > >How about in Caliban and Lilly's case, where Nag and Cat only found a po >box and called the lady running the mail drop and harassed her? Or >DayaLi's case where her agent was contacted with weird phone calls? [note: >perhaps the details of this are mixed up in my head, but the general idea >is correct] > > > So what... all completely legal...no laws have been broken by inquiring. > > >>>If you answer no, then what you've done isn't even related to this, and >>>is therefore moot. If you answer yes, then you've explained why you feel >>>so strongly against someone who disapproves of public outtings. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>I answered Yes and No... so what now? It's not a black and white >>issue.... depends on >>the situation. >> >> > >Agreed. Were your reasons for outting the Rev Phelps "good" ones? > Myself and William Burroughs thought so... fanatical xtrians spouting "god hates fags!" at gay funerals... was good enough reason for me to wack the fucker up side the head. > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>Go back to your sandbox from whence you came... this shit is >>>>>>>>soooooo boorish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't have to go anywhere. I do as I please, being a free person. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>So stay and continue being the bore that you present yourself here >>>>>>as. No skin off my >>>>>>back... if it walks, talks and squawks like a bore... than by Occams >>>>>>Razor... you are >>>>>>a bore. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>And you're witty and intelligent? >>>>>Post proof. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I made no such statement. Occasionally I can be witty and I'm fairly >>>>intelligent otherwise >>>>I doubt people like William Burroughs would invite me over to his house >>>>every year to >>>>discuss magick with me... amongst many other well known occultists and >>>>authors. I've >>>>been published along side Aleister Crowley, Austin Osman Spare, Jack >>>>Parsons, >>>>Dr. Hyatt, etc. I doubt these people would have anything to do with me >>>>if I didn't >>>>have a bit of intelligence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>You've enough intelligence to devote an entire paragraph to name >>>dropping. >>> >>>You've been published? Would I have heard of it, do you think? Name of >>>work published? I'd like to see what you're talking about. Could be I'm >>>wrong about your intelligence. (if what you wrote doesn't send me off to >>>dreamland, I'll happily read it) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>It's not name dropping... it is fact period. My name is Douglas Grant. >> I'll have a chapter with >>a successful rite published in November in New Falcons "The Psychopath's >>Bible"... which >>I originally published as the "The Toxick Magician" back in '95. >> >> > >The Psychopath's Bible? Sounds interesting. I'll look for it next time I >go to the mall, and if it's not too pricey... > > The new edition comes out in November... expanded quite a bit from the firtst two pressings. You can read some pretty good reviews of the last edition onf disinfo.com. Even rec'd a kudos from Marilyn Manson for whatever that's worth. > > >>I have an essay and a rite published on the www.deathandhell.com >>website... look for my >>name or Dagon Productions... you'll have to dig a little since it's a >>large site but why should >>I spoon feed an idiot like you that makes baseless claims with no >>knowledge about me >>whatsoever... get ready to eat some crow. >> >> > >Questions aren't baseless claims, dear. I asked were you published? You >replied yes, with examples. I'm pressed for time right now, shouldn't even >be on usenet, much less responding to this, but oh well... I'll look for >what you've published. > I'll make it easy for you... do a google search on "S/M & Magick" and "The Invocation of the Marquis DeSade." > > > >>And since what is good for the goose is good for the gander what have >>you accomplished >>in magick... what have you written, where might I be able to find some >>sites that find your >>work worthy of publishing. I let people that find my work worthwhile >>to publish my work >>so I don't have to on my own site. >> >> > >I'm not a writer, so I've never written anything, much less been >published. > >I've been toying with a fictional novel (yea, start big is my motto) about >a homeless man who is into chemistry and committs major serial killings >using odd substances disguised as street drugs. I haven't gotten very far >with it, but someday I hope to pull it out and work on it again. > >Perhaps if you're knowledgable about the voodoo rites practiced in the >Louisianna bayous, I may be able to get a bit farther with this. > As usual... what may manifest... what have you manifested thus far? > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Maybe if there was more worthy input, there'd be more worthy output. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>So you are too chickenshit to start an intelligent debate yourself and >>>>stick to ad hominems >>>>and logical fallacies in your posts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>What would I possibly have to debate with you? >>> >>> >>> >>Perhaps something about magick? That way we can keep this on topic... >>read my >>articles on the www.deathandhell.com site and we can start there.\ >> >> > >Gladly, just as soon as I have time. Later tonight, you're on. :) > I've got time tonight... otherwise you may not get an answer until later in the week... but I'm more than willing to debate anything I have written. > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>So shoot your little rodent mouth off some >>>>>>more Ms Goddess of Whistle-Pigs... I'm sure ayou will reply with >>>>>>something equally as inane following this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Like follows like, dear. You remind me of someone who could bore the >>>>>down off a goose. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>-Douglas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>Just as I predicted. Damn I just predicted the future and was right };) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>OOooga Booooga, Douglas. Oooooga Boooooooga >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Hey I pegged you right on the mark... have a laugh at it... >>it's what I've been doing this whole exchange... you are >>as predictable as the sun rising every morning. >> >> > >LOL!! I am pretty predictable, at times. Specially when it's long past my >bedtime. (like last night) > > > >>You are what you do.... what do you do Whistle Pig? >> >> > >Ah... that's a mystery I'll keep to myself for now. > > > Thus far it looks like nothing more than shooting off your whistle pig mouth. It is interesting that you assumed that I know nothing about which I talk about... but I have been around here on useent for over a decade and practicing magick from the west to east coast of the USA and in various countries in Europe... you make the mistake of underestimating your opponent... a fatal flaw in the art of war. -Douglas -- ********************************************** Dagon Productions Chaos Magick & Occult books http://www.dagonproductions.com info@dagonproductions.com