Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.cgocable.net!news-hub.siol.net!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: papaj418@bellsouth.net (John E. "Papa John" Mayer) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tantra Subject: Re: A Neo-Tantric Reading List Message-ID: <3d4ed5cf.1841650@news1.lig.bellsouth.net> References: <20020616232550.22765.00000100@mb-fq.aol.com> <3D1000FF.7B26@sonic.net> <808df0f8.0206290149.3c3edc29@posting.google.com> <3d278360.5375764@news1.lig.bellsouth.net> <3d2b5c7f$0$24403$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:33:36 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 00:53:33 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:312329 alt.magick.tantra:20063 On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:54:21 +0100, "Alex Sumner" wrote: >Um no. "Patrick" Zalewski published "Secret Inner Order Rituals of the >Golden Dawn" under no-ones aegis except perhaps his own and Israel >Regardie's. The contents of Zalewski's book bear little or no relation to >the OTO rituals, as found in e.g. "OTO Rituals and Sex Magick" by Theodor >Reuss & Aleister Crowley. What I get for not taking the book down from the shelf while trying to make reference to it...sez "Regardie/Zalewski" which I took to be Richard. That book and his "Z-5" series are ostensibly offered by NZ's GD/OTO offshoot which seems, like virtually all modern OTO and Dawn outgrowths, to be a hotch-potch of masonic and egyptesque formalities. Like the hypocrisy evident in almost all modern churches (and many other cults), the name-calling and backbiting among magical societies provides the most important evidence of their occult "virtue" or lack thereof. But that begs the question, really. If one defers to Crowley/ Reuss, one simply buys into what is demonstrably at least the second generation of purloined goods, since it's fairly easy to see that P.B.Randolph pioneered the same ideas at least a generation before. And even *he* was honest enough to admit in his aging years that he had fabricated his system from pieces he had gleaned in his early travels. Pedigree is merely a formality in a system *built* on formalities. A real magician's power comes not from the secrets SHe knows, but from hir power to perceive patterns due to a lifetime of dogged pursuit of esentially artificial patterns. If one can see the pattern that holds a nation in thrall, one can also see the flaw in that pattern and expoit it. It is the ability to perceive in creative ways that is the essence of magick, not secrets and validated traditions. So I think perhaps dwelling on publishers' imprints and worrying about who published what book is far less important than the idea of reading whatever comes to hand and learning to discern pearls from pigshit. If one fails to find the Pearl of Great Price, one will at least become an expert on the fecal matter of swine. Wars have been won and nations founded on far less. Love, Papa John John E."Papa John" Mayer papaj418@bellsouth.net "If it don't hurt a little bit, it ain't Rock & Roll!"