From yronwode@sonic.net Thu Jan 07 02:03:36 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: yronwode@prog-relay.sonic.net Received: (qmail 28202 invoked from network); 7 Jan 1999 02:03:36 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by buzz.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 1999 02:03:36 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (yronwode@bolt [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04691; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:03:32 -0800 X-envelope-info: Received: (from yronwode@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA02243; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:03:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199901070203.SAA02243@bolt.sonic.net> Subject: Black Arts References/Advice To: CSCranston@aol.com, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:03:31 -0800 (PST) From: nagasiva In-Reply-To: <2ae1a4de.3681849d@aol.com> from "CSCranston@aol.com" at "Dec 23, 98 07:02:37 pm" From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nocTifer) Orientation: Arkaotika, Ville of the Forest, Kali Fornika, US -- Kali Yuga Organization: http://www.abyss.com/tokus X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO 49990106 IIIom you wrote: # I'm sorry to bother you so close to Christmas (if you celebrate it; # still, the energies are good), but I am in desperate need. I # can't tell you the specifics of the need on the 'Net (AOL being # as nosy as it is), but please, trust me. I need a kind of magic # I don't perform, and I need it *now*.... I received this a while back and had it in my email box, intending to respond to you. instead you called and spoke with people at Lucky Mojo Curio Company for a little while, so now I know more about your particular desires. :> I am going to cc the bottom portion of this missive to public forums for the benefit of students of the Dark Arts everywhere. thanks for your inquiry. I am much more comfortable discussing things in public (in email lists and Usenet newsgroups), and you may find items in the Hollyfeld Archive http://www.hollyfeld.org/Esoteric/Usenet/ to be helpful in basic research (esp. the Satanism directory). if you want more in-depth information about the subject of Satanism I would also refer you to the following URL: http://www.abyss.com/tokus which is only the beginning of what I'm trying to create there, inclusive of an archive of antagonistic and manipulative magick. ----- to be send out to public forums: # ...I am a sister/child (at least, a child in these forms of # the Arts) in great need [for magical revenge/assault]. here are the details I would recommend: * be sure that what you are doing is truly what you want to achieve; underestimate the limits of your will in the matter, prepare for the waning of your anger and come to better understand the nature of your feelings of desire for revenge, so that you can save yourself any regret in the future should your will prove sufficient to seriously damage your target. * once you are sure what you want, throw yourself into study and learn the ropes of struggle, trying to anticipate all possible repercussions in advance; do not omit key assessments such as physical differences in strength, skill in personal struggles, the availability of weapons, or the possible breakdown into sociopathology of those you may target for revenge; make a list of your weak points, vulnerabilities, and set about bolstering these or drawing them far from the reach of your adversary. * let the magical work be an APPENDAGE to your work in the world, rather than a substitute for it; that is, if you want to hurt someone who hurt you, don't just cast spells to effect it, also set about doing what you can to sabotage and disrupt the lives of those who deserve your revenge; e.g. if you want to cause a break-up of two people, consult the variety of really nasty films and books depicting methods for revenge and select your route of choice; communicating secrets that the two have withheld from one another, sowing the seeds of discontent through suggestion inducing paranoia and suspicion, and generally inciting dissatisfaction between the two people in any way you can would multiply the power of any Break-Up spell you may desire to cast; the spell can be a prelude to or a seal upon the revenge you see fit to exact. * protect yourself with the implements of your craft; whether this be talismans and amulets or kevlar vests and helmets, if you are going to enter into a conflict, be prepared for more response than you anticipated so as to put down resistance to your vengeance and strike the final blow. * use the law and social assistance support to achieve your ends; make complaints of abuse known to legal authorities as soon as possible, report thefts and use mechanisms of restraint and separation to benefit you; study up on these options and bring them to bear when it will most benefit your position (like in a game, timing is very important, especially if you aim to cause the most damage in your revenge that you can). * wherever possible secure guarantees against backlash such as defensive maneuvers to theaten or control the enraged adversary; this could be as simple as manipulation ("You said you loved me!") or as complex as extortion ("If you do that I may take the opportunity to mention our affair to your wife, asshole!"); be tactful, always try to keep your final play in the struggle a secret and be clever enough never to have to use it. for reflection on practical application of these suggestions I would recommend the following internet forums, within which you may be able to contact individuals who have experience with and may be interested in performing for you a variety of revenge-oriented magical acts (be careful, get to know the field and get references wherever possible; be wary of 'experts'): Usenet: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.lucky.w,alt.satanism, alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.magick IRC: #witchcraft, #satanism, #magick Email: Darkpaths-L (listserv@necronomi.com) Malefica-L (listserv@necronomi.com) Occult Elist (majordomo@hollyfeld.org) WWW: http://www.hollyfeld.org/~tyagi/Magi/gehennom.html and search on "Satan" or "Dark" for links http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocatSPELLS.html blessed beast! tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nocTifer