Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of the CoE) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.pagan.magick,alt.satanism,alt.lucky.w Subject: Black Magic Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 90 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8ndfpu$bf0@bolt.sonic.net> Reply-To: boboroshi@satanservice.org (SOD of the CoE) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:26:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 966410800 208.201.224.36 (Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:26:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:26:40 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:24921 alt.magick:207947 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:25022 alt.pagan.magick:24326 alt.satanism:154029 alt.lucky.w:7965 50000803 Vom Hail Satan! a correspondent wrote: > Are there any people in this society who practice black magic? I > mean the way Alistair Crowley (sorry if the spelling is wrong) did it, there are many in the Satanist community who have been influenced by Crowley. Crowley described his magicK as white, and predominantly mystical in aims. given that his "Confessions" indicate he was not spiritually adept (due to his malformed and bigotted character), we must conclude that he was a failure as a magician of his class. > Also I was really shocked to find out that Alistair Crowley was a > founder of the order that was very close to the "Golden Dawn", which is > basicly a very ancient and powerfull group of people who are trying to > reach the secrets of magic. if you are talking about the OTO, then Crowley did not found this order, Theodore Reuss did, after conversations with Karl Kellner. Crowley is supposed to have received the authority of the Head of the OTO from Reuss at a certain point, after which time he attempted to shape it toward his particular tastes ('Thelema'). the Golden Dawn is matricular, the OTO is a magical initiatic fraternity whose degress subsequent to those available to all of good report, sufficient age, and properly prepared (meager requirements; degrees 0-IVpi) are purely administrative. > great if anyone could share "privately" his/her experience in magic, > and ritual perfomance. Maybe someone is in possess of ancient magic > formulars, I would really like to get deeper into this question. 'black' magic is typically that which is disdained. even Crowley used this particular characterization (to describe that which was not directed toward the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel). Satanists like LaVey and Aquino adopted 'black magick' as a descriptor for manipulation of any type and distinguished between 'Lesser' (ordinary) and 'Greater' (mystical or transpersonal) types. the way that Crowley described formulae was probably on the order of Levi or others whom he lauded. these were linguistic descriptors apparently applicable to meditative and ritual resonance. they are only metaphorically related to actual chemical or combinatory formulae which may be found in folk magic today. black magic formulae tend to include such substances which are noxious or corrosive. mustard, pepper, sulphur, lye, and dauber nests are examples with which I am familiar. it all depends on the tradition of magic with which one is working (I am most familiar with hoodoo, though have studied Wicca and popular witchcraft). what qualifies as 'black' magic may also include certain types of 'forbidden' or 'licensed' activities like the summoning of demons or the dead, and the construction of certain rites such as the consumption of the flesh of deities (eucharist), and the like. here is an example of a black magic formula from hoodoo tradition: red pepper black pepper sulphur crushed egg shells or talc Hotfoot Oil (optional) this is a very simple formula which may be used as a kind of 'hotfoot powder', spread on an area with the intent of causing certain individuals (or all) to vacate. for example, one might sprinkle it on an enemy's doorstep in order to get them to move. my wife has a web page which describes more concretely the composition and methods of using hotfoot powder, which ultimately derives from African-diaspora magical traditions. you can find it at: http://www.luckymojo.com/hotfoot.html I call this 'black' because it is coercive. by Satanists it would be considered 'Lesser Black Magick', or dismissed as either unethical or ineffectual. blessed beast! boboroshi Satanic Outreach Director, Church of Euthanasia (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/) -- FREE HOODOO CATALOGUE! send street address to: catalogue@luckymojo.com mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html ; mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired