Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.goetia,alt.christnet.demonology,alt.satanism Subject: Demon-Summoning, Mysticism, and Egos (was Transformative ...) References: <3e03c8d0.856116@trialnews.peoplepc.com> <3e04a456.925072@trialnews.peoplepc.com> From: satanservice.org@boboroshi (SOD of the CoE) Reply-To: satanservice.org@boboroshi User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 122 Message-ID: <%GdN9.56311$Ik.1747538@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:18:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1040541499 208.201.242.18 (Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:18:19 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:18:19 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35427 alt.magick.goetia:1467 alt.christnet.demonology:13705 alt.satanism:219058 50021221 vii Hail Satan!! Poke told me: >You missed the point. not really, I was intentionally driving the subject toward something more relevant than personal bickering. >When someone assumes the lofty position of one who has >transcended his "Ego" news to me. some date/thread-title? our power was out. >and then beats his colleague with an ego-stick, that seemed more like an analysis which befitted Buddhist temperaments to me. this is an important point in Hermetic contexts (ego and what happens to it). >it completely negates his position. I think his position has been bolstered several times in this very newsgroup by similar interactions, including in your interactions with me. :> I also wonder about goetic arts and what results from each style of practice. the difficult thing is knowing how tempering therapy of this sort actually might be in any particular case. without controls, we have to consider other factors. >This was a favorite ploy of the acidhead gurus in the 1960s. that sounds pretty dangerous. you think he's trying to work up a psychedelic army to overthrow the establishment? :> thanks for calling it to my attention. I thought we were having a discussion about egos, mysticism, and demons. >[Sir IF!] makes it even worse when he rants public death curses >at people he thinks have too much ego! google quote? damn! I missed out! Sir IF! I had no idea. I provide death spells, but he rants public death curses? this I gotta see. wow, and you're sure of his motivation, too? it isn't because he's familiar with terms like ego and how they relate to the use of 'I' in communications? wants to learn from deconstruction of communication-styles and how they might demonstrate results? the random usenet posting is evidence of overall composure, but only minimal in quantity. Sir IF might have in his way been asking why it was that your posting contained what it did. >This reminds me of my roaring at the late David Jackson, 20 years >ago, that: "If you don't conquer your ego . . . etc., etc." David >sank down on his knees and let me go on and on, until I realized >I was making a fool of myself. I thought this was about Buddhism and Goetia, ritualizing Tibetan Buddhism and summoning the Solomonic Bad Guys. or was that pagan gods? is a daemon a spirit and a demon a bad spirit? or is all of this theopolitical bullshit unimportant compared with consistency in aim and demonstrated therapeutic result? demons as psychological agents are of a different character than individual ontological beings. >[Sir IF!] makes a fool of himself every time he does this, but he >doesn't seem to learn. we're all ignorant. what does mastering demons feel like? how can one be sure that there is success in this regard? writers of fiction like Hardy (demon-summoning/possession) and Asprin (humourous will-battles and mythadventures) are clever expression of perspectives on the subject. there are books on possession, of course, and some spirit-directories. how are demons created that need to be mastered, anyway? I mean, are you sure that it isn't on account of the writing of The Lemegeton, the Lesser Key of Solomon, from the personal knowledge and imagination of the author(s), that these 'demons' would ever exist in any real sense?? or are they all locatable in other sources? is this like the Necronomicon Spellbook? something one might use in case of emergencies to quell voices? are demons created by traumatic experiences in childhood and military service? if so, perhaps a projection upon random imaginary constructs might be helpful as long as the association between the interior and grimoiric demons didn't fragment. how many different therapueutic models are there from modern psychologists that demonstrate positive results? I'd think that the best way to proceed would be to examine the variety of members of the class of demon-summoning systems and see if any of them yield reliable psychospiritual improvement in the aspirant. maybe hostile or harsh demonic styles would be spicy, explosive, but if they didn't produce valuable results in some consistent manner, it would be imprudent to continue them long. discussing them rationally would seem at odds with maintaining the associating these psychotherapeutic constructs. the use of a historical contact method for demons (i.e. one lattice upon which to explain and make possible spirit contacts of a wild and possibly adversarial type, however facile -- one might as well select Fallen Angels from the Books of Noah and Enoch, like Semihaza, or Azazel or Iblis -- or some system created by any number of authors and film-makers) as a therapeutic canvas upon which to project one's interior revolutionary agents seems to be a *very* common unconscious activity in the world of religion, in which social adversaries are associated with cosmic foes (see Keen's marvellous "Faces of the Enemy"). personal integration conducted in the guise of making contact with ontological forces antagonistic to you in some way seems like the steep road to healing. exciting and vivifying, it may become quite entertaining. blessed beast! boboroshi at-sign satanservice.org: Satanic Outreach Director Church of Euthanasia: http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ TOKUS WEBLINKS: http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/B/boboroshi Ninth Scholar's Library (Satanism Archive): http://www.satanservice.org/