Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.lucky.w,alt.mythology Subject: Is Black in Magic Beautiful or Beastly? References: <3E2B180D.1097E8B6@pacbell.net> <20030121130948.27163.00000188@mb-mq.aol.com> From: blackman99 Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:23:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1043195028 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:23:48 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:23:48 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:35874 alt.magick:333247 alt.pagan.magick:35564 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:35979 alt.lucky.w:13262 alt.mythology:74429 50030121 VII om mhasnik@aol.com (MHasnik): > So, what is the outcome to this? I'm confused. it's a confusing subject. is there some clear truth here that we may follow with confidence? or is it just about becoming convinced of some arbitrary method (faith)? > ... I'm going to believe that white would be appropriate. does belief influence what results? if I believed that a white candle would do the job and used a black one by accident (say I was blind or it was strange lighting and I grabbed the wrong one), then would it come to naught or go awry? is the cause of magic not located in belief so much as the material of the spell and its actuality? > Would black have done any damage for a money spell? in natural magic there is often presumed to be a component of the spell which 'steers' or 'directs' it to the desired conclusion. this is undergirded by traditional formulae and notions about what "must be done". unfortunately for those who believe that their tradition is Correct, there are a multitude of cultural differences about what does what, and some of these competing notions have long histories in more than one culture to support them, contradictorily. how will they be Facing Off, so to speak? is there some real resolution which may be discovered here? or will it lead to the dissolution of a confidence in magic or its elements? after all, if we may assert that the magic is in the material components (as designed by some Cosmic God and put there for our use), then why would a God make these strict Black/White associations? does the Divine conclude with one culture that Black means cutting, decrease, and malevolence? or will we choose another that uses White for this purpose? how far away are we from the heinous conclusions about melanin and race ascribed by White Supremacists if this is the status we presume the Creator God has relegated to 'Black'? and if the conjecture of natural magic is false -- the colours are not divinely-coded into their purposes -- then how far shall we go in dethroning the magical content of any particular herb or mineral? the issues are thorny and not at all clearly resolved. I look forward to any response. :> blackman99