Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magic,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.lucky.w Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.lucky.w Subject: Magic Tricks and Spells References: <3E2F12BF.A35A5A04@pacbell.net> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 45 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:05:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1043453144 208.201.242.18 (Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:05:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:05:44 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:36000 alt.magick:333637 alt.pagan.magick:35591 alt.magic:162700 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:35989 alt.lucky.w:13274 50030124 VII note followup set to occult groups. Joseph writes: >Sun Wu-K'ung wrote: >> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAGICK AND MAGIC? >> Magic is the art and practise of prestidigitation, >> stage magic, sleight of hand and so on. Magick is >> the manipulation of reality. a discernment made futile through brevity. >i would suggest a clarification here, Magic and >Magick can be used interchangeably, not every one >accepts the addition of a "k" resulting in an >archaic spelling of the term as necessary, its >popularization for the very reasons stated above >by aleister Crowley try again. Crowley didn't make this distinction, it was one made by cybernauts short of admit defeat at the hands of the stage mages that created alt.magic. ;> I think this is already covered in the alt.magick newsgroup FAQ: http://www.luckymojo.com/altmagickfaq/ >while a generally accepted application of the term >and usage of the letter "k" added to it, there is >still the idea that stage magic has usurped a term >with traditional meanings and the onus should be >on the stage magician to qualify their usage of >the term, which the addition of "stage" seems to >cover (hardly necessary except in a post such as >this and the faq it refers to) not the magician to >differentiate their attempts at a manipulation of >reality from card tricks or staged illusions. usually the alternative to stage magic is close-up magic. the idea is that these are performances, though a good number of magicians know of overlaps between performance and shamanism and prestidigitation, extending even to the occasional mysticism and implied arcane mystery. nagasiva