Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic Subject: Magic and Mundane Life References: <280220031412206809%ot18@tut.com> <3E60479F.7CFF59AC@slip.net> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <9D69a.70444$Ik.3070298@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:53:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1046804037 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:53:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 10:53:57 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:38312 alt.magick:339777 alt.magick.chaos:41629 alt.pagan.magick:36368 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:36105 50030304 VII om Nulatix-3 "Fr. A.o.C." : > ...Magickal practices and psychic comtemplation are not meant > to be an excuse for blowing off the "normal" side of your life. in general, agreed, though proportional investments in these 'sides' can affect one's overall experience and maturation. not only does societal connection have the capacity to inhibit or restrain real personal growth and magical adeptship by virtue of responsibility-load, it also affords the successful mage a means of implementing volition in societal directions and affecting religiomagical traditions as a whole. this is one of the reasons that membership in orders like the Golden Dawn and its offshoots can be beneficial (communication of novel technology through initiation-channels). > I am sick to death of the great-and-powerful-mages-of-the-aeon > who can't manage to make a living or keep a roof over their > heads. hey, maybe it isn't their true will to do so. :> of course when they then complain about it, one may see the truth of your criticism. > If you can't even handle simple mundane life, the mage may not dwell in or settle into such a life, tho. sometimes sinking to the bottom, apparently failing, and truly letting go to an equilibrated position within society may be what is needed before progress can be made. where that equates to subsistence or dependence upon social svcs, this may exemplify 'not handling it', of course. > what good are your "magickal" practices doing you? the issue of whether any of these things *are* magic is usually overlooked. more often than not I notice that what is taken for magic is better seen as religion or mysticism, while magic is something which transcends these *and* the implementation of spells and charms (the latter being more clear applications of the Arte), but may be utilized to further any of their aims. nagasiva