Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranet,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic Subject: Siddhi Byproducts vs Mundane Poweraims References: <8ad38e9.0312101157.7e3c64a2@posting.google.com> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 49 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:19:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1071623967 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:19:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:19:27 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:42729 alt.magick:362606 alt.pagan.magick:39822 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:37374 50031216 vii om nagasiva: #> ...it depends on what species of being the individual #> is. if human, it thence depends whether they hold a specific #> thought in mind that is being sought (as the decision on an #> important matter which one might use a spell, device, #> or rite to divine). #> #> if you want, additionally, to cease bothering to try to #> read someone's mind and instead attempt to *determine* #> or compel what they will think, then there are spells #> for this, inclusive of overall conditioning spells for #> 'intriquility', 'peacefulness' and 'compelling #> fulfilment of obligations'. LawsonE: # Allegedly, someone who is fully enlightened has all # the usual "paranormal" abilities, and then some. many cultures believe in side-effect powers that are supposed to come to the mystic in association with austerities or some other outstanding mystical achievement. these are not in and of themselves magical effects, but psychic or paranormal powers as you have indicated. additionally, not everyone agrees with the descriptions of Hermetic/Rosicrucian Office powers or the siddhis of Indian mystical philosophy, and the condition of 'enlightenment' may indeed have no correllate. these things aren't fundamental to all sociocultural descriptions of magic. # Of course, by the time someone is in that state, tradition # holds that they don't give a rat's ass about such things, # but there you go. yes, these traditions typically eshew the value of aiming for the powers so described as side-benefits, maintaining that they are 'distractions' and 'traps'. their cosmology usually includes some kind of Grand Designer who sets up a morality. to the magician who doesn't give a flying fuck about mysticism and is only interested in the power and results of application of that power in *mundane* dimensions, these warnings are as nothing and may even be ecclesiastical deceptions intending to distract the thaumaturge from the assumption or exercise of what amounts to practical, cosmic authority. nagasiva