Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.thelema,alt.religion.wicca,alt.witchcraft,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Unreliable Wiccan Sources References: From: 333 Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 72 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:06:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1089320781 208.201.242.18 (Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:06:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:06:21 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:47744 alt.magick:378872 alt.thelema:138 alt.religion.wicca:856830 alt.witchcraft:72329 alt.fan.harry-potter:243479 50040708 viii om poking my head in here. The Steel Wolf (no doubt a relative of the rat) : #> It's the legacy of Crowley. Because Gardnerian Wicca traces its #> history back through Crowley and the Ordo Templi Orientis, it also #> inherited Evil Uncle Al's curious spelling predilection with regard to #> the word. typically the Gardnerians trace to 'traditional witchcraft lineages' within supposed 'survival families' or from some Rosicrucianism. with-it Gardnerians acknowledge influences on the cobbling by Crowley and european grimoires. Crowley even influenced Rowling, as evidenced by one of her recent chapter names. "Robyn, Duke of Amber" : # And anyone who wants *anything* to do with Crowley is a boob. there is a very good argument to be made there. while he had an evident facility in prose with the written word, his scientific and occult ideas leave something to be desired and at times are quite backward. # ... (he and Levi .... another controversial source, to be sure, heavily influential in occult circles, Rosicrucian et al. # of course I won't even go into Murry's highly disputed "Witch # cult of Western Europe....which is interesting if flawed.. right, Margaret Murray. she also did "God of the Witches" IIRC. she wrote on archaeology but was an anthropologist if memory serves. some bit of her work has been discredited but many Wiccans have launched off of it as if it were the New Gospel (not Aradia! LOL!). # I rather like Graves "White Goddess" however... at least he wasn't so far afield, if a tad strange. another heavy influence on Neopagans, along with Murray. #> That said, I find it a terribly silly convention. After all, if #> somebody cannot discern from context whether one is speaking of the #> occult or of stage illusions, then they probably have no business #> taking part in discussions on either of these to begin with. # # is this like the use of womyn? not sure of the argument for that word's use. feminist, ostensibly. # which rather than co-opting a word and re-claiming it....just # seems a tad silly. there is a real, noticeable need to differentiate between what has become known as 'stage magic' and 'occult magic', and for this reason the spelling conventions are sometimes used. context cannot always be the determiner, no, but it is true it is valuable and usually sufficient. part of the intention is to 1) establish a hierarchy (whereby the 'magick' is spiritually- or mystically-oriented and therefore not the stuff of deception), and 2) separate from illusion/deception which *has* been associated with occultism from day one. y r B o l b n e e w s a o s s d e t e d ! .com@nagasiva