Path: Supernews!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic Subject: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Followup-To: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Date: 18 Jun 1997 14:01:29 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 34 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews alt.magick:105594 alt.magick.tyagi:12968 alt.pagan.magick:4913 alt.lucky.w:1559 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:2906 49970618 aa2 Hail Satan! (first post to alt.magic, followup set properly) SaberTooth : >Seeking magickal mantras & words of power for any >and all purposes. Please post any sources. Thanks a lot. I thought about starting a REF of these before. if we get enough of them then I'll compile it for just that purpose. those of which I am aware that are used for magical purposes (I will intentionally exclude the names of divinities, which have been used since the dawn of time; also excluded will be 'Words of Aeons', which have been adequately covered in other threads/venues): abracadabra origin? I don't remember. hokus pokus a twisting of a Latin Catholic expression mekkalekkahi mekkahineeho the magic words used by PeeWee Herman's djinni sator part of the 'sator square' others? tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com nagasiva -- (emailed replies may be posted) ------- join the AMT syncretism!!! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus ---------- call: 408/2-666-SLUG!! "Sure, kid. It's the truth. Trust me. Where's your money?" - TShuler Path: Supernews!kudonet.com!not-for-mail From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.hexes.spells.magic Subject: Power Words and Stuff (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: 19 Jun 1997 13:10:46 -0700 Organization: KudoNet On-Line Services Lines: 47 Sender: tyagi@bjt.net Message-ID: <5oc3o6$sja@kudo20.kudonet.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <33A313F0.9D0@acadia.net> <33A364FC.7768@bigcats.com> Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) NNTP-Posting-Host: kudo20.kudonet.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: Supernews alt.magick.tyagi:13006 alt.magick:105717 49970619 aa2 Hail Satan! LUNatix! SaberTooth : >Let me clarify what I meant, I am seeking magickal words & >phrases and thier meanings from ancient and medieval >civilizations. Thanks to those who post meaningfull responses. oh I know another one (from 'Excaliber'): To: alt.religion.druid From: cathbad@netimation.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:02:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Charm of Making In article , kjeremy@aol.com (KJEREMY) wrote: > > does anyone know the translation of the Welsh Charm of Making in 21 > Lessons of Merlyn? > > KJEREMY@aol.com > > P.S. I hope at least that THAT section of the book is acurate Well, actually that one is close... but a little off. Here's the correct spelling along with the translation... Anail Nathrach Uatha Bha'is Bith Thonn Du'iseacnt Le De'anamh E! Translated as... Serpent's breath Death's Cave and Waves of Being Awaken with making! Cathbad Order of the Golden Branch http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/1669 -- (emailed replies may be posted) ------- join the AMT syncretism!!! see http://www.abyss.com/tokus ---------- call: 408/2-666-SLUG!! "sa avidya ya vimuktaye" -- "that which liberates is ignorance" Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!newsfeed2.aimnet.com!newshub1.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!data.ramona.vix.com!nnrp1.crl.com!not-for-mail From: lee@crl11.crl.com (Lee Thompson-Herbert) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: 23 Jun 1997 04:14:47 -0700 Organization: Ginsu Ninjas Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5ollr7$3o0@crl11.crl.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> <01bc7da0$fa2b1ca0$1e603cd1@i762278> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl11.crl.com Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:105988 alt.magick.tyagi:13102 alt.pagan.magick:5046 alt.lucky.w:1607 >nagasiva wrote in article ><5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com>... >> 49970618 aa2 Hail Satan! (first post to alt.magic, followup set >properly) >> >> >> abracadabra >> origin? I don't remember. >> >> hokus pokus >> a twisting of a Latin Catholic expression >> >> mekkalekkahi mekkahineeho >> the magic words used by PeeWee Herman's djinni >> >> sator >> part of the 'sator square' mistilvil The Craft of the Little Mist, the runes that Odhinn used to transcend death. A relative to mistletoe, a plant of magical significance. There are many "nonsense" combinations in old runic inscriptions. If you untangle them, they sometimes have meaning. Part of the problem is that runes can be read as a phenome or as an idiograph. -- Lee M.Thompson-Herbert KD6WUR lee@crl.com Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "There are some people who will argue whether the flames are blue or green, when the real question is that their arse is on fire." Path: Supernews69!usenet65.supernews.com!mr.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: catherine yronwode Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:32:20 -0800 Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. Lines: 63 Message-ID: <33A89A34.4B02@luckymojo.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d75.pm2.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106021 alt.magick.tyagi:13122 alt.pagan.magick:5059 alt.lucky.w:1608 nagasiva wrote: > > SaberTooth wrote: > > >Seeking magickal mantras & words of power for any > >and all purposes. Please post any sources. Thanks a lot. > > I thought about starting a REF of these before. if we get enough of > them then I'll compile it for just that purpose. > > those of which I am aware that are used for magical purposes (I will > intentionally exclude the names of divinities, which have been used > since the dawn of time; also excluded will be 'Words of Aeons', which > have been adequately covered in other threads/venues): > > abracadabra > origin? I don't remember. Here is an excerpt from my illustrated Abracadabra web page at http://www.luckymojo.com/Willss13Abracadabra.html -- this portion of the text is by an anonymous British author of the 1920s: THE ABRACADABRA One of the most famous of all talismans, and used as a magical formula by the Gnostics in Rome for invoking the aid of beneficent spirits against disease, misfortune and death. Sammonicus, the celebrated Gnostic physician, instructed that the letters of this magical triangle which he used for curing agues and fevers, were to be written on paper, folded into the shape of a cross, worn for nine days suspended from the neck, and, before sunrise, cast behind the patient into a stream running eastward. It was also a most popular charm in the Middle Ages. During the Great Plague, 1665, great numbers of these amulets were worn as supposed safeguards against infection. > hokus pokus > a twisting of a Latin Catholic expression > > mekkalekkahi mekkahineeho > the magic words used by PeeWee Herman's djinni > > sator > part of the 'sator square' > > others? I would like to add that the recitation of the Psalms (or certain specific ones of them) while burning incense is an important part of the the African-American folk-magic tradition. In this context, i think one can safely say the words are not so much an invocation to deity as a recipe for magical performance. Two examples should suffice: The 23rd Psalm ("The Lord is my shepherd, i shall not want") is used to consecrate gambling charms and mojo bags, and the 37th Psalm ("Fret not thyself because of evildoers") is used in candle rituals and bathing ceremonies for uncrossing or jinx-breaking. A book on this subject, "Secrets of the Psalms" was quite popular among root doctors and conjure workers during the 1930s-40s -- and is still in print. It can be ordered from the Lucky Mojo Curio Company's hoodoo catalogue at the URL below. catherine yronwode The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html Hoodoo Catalogue: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Path: Supernews69!usenet65.supernews.com!mr.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: catherine yronwode Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:32:20 -0800 Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. Lines: 63 Message-ID: <33A89A34.4B02@luckymojo.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d75.pm2.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106021 alt.magick.tyagi:13122 alt.pagan.magick:5059 alt.lucky.w:1608 nagasiva wrote: > > SaberTooth wrote: > > >Seeking magickal mantras & words of power for any > >and all purposes. Please post any sources. Thanks a lot. > > I thought about starting a REF of these before. if we get enough of > them then I'll compile it for just that purpose. > > those of which I am aware that are used for magical purposes (I will > intentionally exclude the names of divinities, which have been used > since the dawn of time; also excluded will be 'Words of Aeons', which > have been adequately covered in other threads/venues): > > abracadabra > origin? I don't remember. Here is an excerpt from my illustrated Abracadabra web page at http://www.luckymojo.com/Willss13Abracadabra.html -- this portion of the text is by an anonymous British author of the 1920s: THE ABRACADABRA One of the most famous of all talismans, and used as a magical formula by the Gnostics in Rome for invoking the aid of beneficent spirits against disease, misfortune and death. Sammonicus, the celebrated Gnostic physician, instructed that the letters of this magical triangle which he used for curing agues and fevers, were to be written on paper, folded into the shape of a cross, worn for nine days suspended from the neck, and, before sunrise, cast behind the patient into a stream running eastward. It was also a most popular charm in the Middle Ages. During the Great Plague, 1665, great numbers of these amulets were worn as supposed safeguards against infection. > hokus pokus > a twisting of a Latin Catholic expression > > mekkalekkahi mekkahineeho > the magic words used by PeeWee Herman's djinni > > sator > part of the 'sator square' > > others? I would like to add that the recitation of the Psalms (or certain specific ones of them) while burning incense is an important part of the the African-American folk-magic tradition. In this context, i think one can safely say the words are not so much an invocation to deity as a recipe for magical performance. Two examples should suffice: The 23rd Psalm ("The Lord is my shepherd, i shall not want") is used to consecrate gambling charms and mojo bags, and the 37th Psalm ("Fret not thyself because of evildoers") is used in candle rituals and bathing ceremonies for uncrossing or jinx-breaking. A book on this subject, "Secrets of the Psalms" was quite popular among root doctors and conjure workers during the 1930s-40s -- and is still in print. It can be ordered from the Lucky Mojo Curio Company's hoodoo catalogue at the URL below. catherine yronwode The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html Hoodoo Catalogue: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!minotaur.labyrinth.net.au!usenet From: neurotic@labyrinth.net.au (Neurotic) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 05:54:18 GMT Organization: Labyrinth Connections Pty Ltd Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33ae0dcc.1853773@news.labyrinth.net.au> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: portal-as22.labyrinth.net.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106222 alt.magick.tyagi:13205 alt.pagan.magick:5127 alt.lucky.w:1626 On 18 Jun 1997 14:01:29 -0700, tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) wrote: >49970618 aa2 Hail Satan! (first post to alt.magic, followup set properly) > >SaberTooth : >>Seeking magickal mantras & words of power for any >>and all purposes. Please post any sources. Thanks a lot. > >I thought about starting a REF of these before. if we get enough of them >then I'll compile it for just that purpose. > >those of which I am aware that are used for magical purposes (I will >intentionally exclude the names of divinities, which have been used >since the dawn of time; also excluded will be 'Words of Aeons', which >have been adequately covered in other threads/venues): > >abracadabra > origin? I don't remember. Abracadabra is actually Quabalic in origin, probably derived from the initials of the Hebraic words: *Ab*, *Ben* and *ruach a Cadesch*, meaning Father, Son and Holy Ghost. No of course, having written that...I must wonder at the validity of that statement, due to the fact that Jewdasim has only one G-d...and therefore the "Father son and Holy Ghost" sounds awefully Xtian. Hmmmnnn.... must ponder on that one...any answers for me while we're at it? :) Neurotic "Everyone wants to be on top, that's all right. Everybody needs a little time, that's natural. Everbody wants to be assured, that's human. Everybody wants a little love, well that's too bad."" Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.bradley.edu!rhf.bradley.edu!not-for-mail From: drastic@rhf.bradley.edu (Gary Achenbach) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: 27 Jun 1997 22:12:53 -0500 Organization: The Order of ORSON Lines: 18 Sender: nntp@rhf.bradley.edu Message-ID: <5p1vfl$dm9@rhf.bradley.edu> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhf.bradley.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106294 alt.magick.tyagi:13234 alt.pagan.magick:5147 alt.lucky.w:1629 taliesin@mail.utexas.edu (George Leake) writes: >abracadabra > origin? I don't remember. Aryeh Kaplan (somewhere in the preface of his treatment of the Sefer Yezirah), states it comes from Hebrew. ABRA K'ADaBRA, "I will create as I speak." What I'm curious about is this: the ubiquitous Crowley said 'abraHadabra' was the 'true word of the New Aeon', the other being a vulgarization. What was his 'reasoning'? I suspect gematria contortions, but I guess it could be as simple as that being how Aiwass, messenger-boy to the Powers That Be, pronounced it. -- The Reverend Gar Drastic aka Gary Achenbach "Do I advocate another revolution? What do you mean, -another-? We have yet to see the first. But it's coming." -- Edward Abbey Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.best.com!miwok!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: catherine yronwode Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:04:34 -0800 Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <33B55232.37D1@luckymojo.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5p1vfl$dm9@rhf.bradley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d58.pm.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106315 alt.magick.tyagi:13247 alt.pagan.magick:5166 alt.lucky.w:1637 Fathom wrote: > > Gary Achenbach wrote: > > > Aryeh Kaplan (somewhere in the preface of his treatment of the Sefer > > Yezirah), states it comes from Hebrew. ABRA K'ADaBRA, "I will > > create as I speak." > > > > What I'm curious about is this: the ubiquitous Crowley said > > 'abraHadabra' was the 'true word of the New Aeon', the other being a > > vulgarization. What was his 'reasoning'? > > Just a speculation-- perhaps the original Hebrew sound was the > guttural *ch* -- which is often represented by K in some > transliterations, or by H in others. Anybody know Hebrew? I don't know Hebrew, but that is a good call, i think. Ch/H/K/C as in (C)hannukah. However, this still leaves me with a question: how did a phrase that means "I will create as I speak" come to be used as a specific formula for curing people of fevers? I understand ho the reduction of the incantation by one letter per day came to be associated with the reduction of fever, but "I will create as I speak" doesn;t immediately leap out and say, "fever cure!" to me -- yet that was the only use of the abracadabra formula for many centuries and, Crowley aside, may have been its ONLY use until the 19th/20th centuries. catherine yronwode The Lucky Mojo Curio Co.: http://www.luckymojo.com The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html Hoodoo Catalogue: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html Freemasonry for Women: http://www.luckymojo.com/CoMasonry.html The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html Karezza and Tantra: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!coop.net!zdc!super.zippo.com!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news1.best.com!miwok!ultra.sonic.net!d181.pm5.sonic.net!user From: fathom.NOSPAM@sonic.net (Fathom) Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:40:33 -0700 Organization: i wish Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5p1vfl$dm9@rhf.bradley.edu> <33B55232.37D1@luckymojo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d181.pm5.sonic.net Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:106367 alt.magick.tyagi:13286 alt.pagan.magick:5189 alt.lucky.w:1644 In article <33B55232.37D1@luckymojo.com>, catherine yronwode wrote: > However, this still leaves me with a question: how did a phrase that > means "I will create as I speak" come to be used as a specific formula In my view, the wording (if this translation is correct) explains itself very well: it's semantically equivalent to "So mote it be." It can't be the whole spell. -- Fathom >8-)> "The zoo has been going downhill ever since soldiers came and ate the elephant." --news item from Zaire, April 1997 Path: Supernews69!supernews.com!SupernewsFH!news-out.internetmci.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!zdc-e!super.zippo.com!plnews!snews2 From: Paul Rydeen Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.pagan.magick,alt.lucky.w Subject: Re: Magick Words (was Re: mantras & words of power) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:20:15 -0500 Organization: None Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33C8E41E.C5C96FD2@hilconet.com> References: <33A1FC85.A9F@bigcats.com> <5o9ib9$1mp@kudo20.kudonet.com> <5p1vfl$dm9@rhf.bradley.edu> <33B55232.37D1@luckymojo.com> Reply-To: lakebed@hilconet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) To: catherine yronwode X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: Supernews69 alt.magick:107305 alt.magick.tyagi:13604 alt.pagan.magick:5407 alt.lucky.w:1721 catherine yronwode wrote: > However, this still leaves me with a question: how did a phrase that > means "I will create as I speak" come to be used as a specific formula > > for curing people of fevers? I understand ho the reduction of the > incantation by one letter per day came to be associated with the > reduction of fever, but "I will create as I speak" doesn;t immediately > > leap out and say, "fever cure!" to me -- yet that was the only use of > the abracadabra formula for many centuries and, Crowley aside, may > have > been its ONLY use until the 19th/20th centuries. There have been several attempts to derive "abracadabra" from Hebrew, none of which are that appealing to me. The best-seeming explanation to me is that it is a near-palindrome derived from the name Abrasax, who figures prominently in Egyptian spells. This was a common practice with other Coptic words of power, as was the fever-reducing arrangements. Thus it is probably derived from an earlier Egyptian word, rather than a Hebrew one. A good source for this is the fairly recent "Ancient Christian Magic", which is only anbout half Christian. The rest of the spells are Egyptian, and a few are even Islamic. -- Paul