Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!unlnews.unl.edu!newsreader.wustl.edu!stl-feed.news.verio.net!news.cc.ukans.edu!newscon05.news.prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.lucky.w,talk.euthanasia,alt.magick.chaos Subject: Re: Symbols and Their "Success" (Re: Tarot and Qabalah...) Date: 26 Apr 2002 12:05:29 -0400 Organization: Sentient Creatures (Numberless) Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <3cab56e3_4@news.nntpserver.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1019837040 12148 166.84.1.2 (26 Apr 2002 16:04:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32445 alt.magick:298263 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:33935 alt.lucky.w:11556 talk.euthanasia:15556 alt.magick.chaos:40123 In article , (xtienfen, CoE) wrote: >nonZense, relation to symbol is no necessary determiner of 'success', Agreed your ironic quotes. ZOS and myself are intent on forgetting, but this is not a necessary factor, merely a facet of our particular tactical [and aesthetic] goals. >else the which Zaw fit to expend all manner of symbols to the cosmos >be "done" and deemed successes. instead, substitute one's subjective >relation to said object in a 'done' Zense and I'd agree. Since "knowing you're done" is what's at stake here -- not some state of absolute completion -- let's agree. It's just as easy to rewind the tape to make the realization the main player: "[When] you know you're done, [when] it's done with you." >in the most covert operations of the Mighty Adepti, the exposure of the >Formula to the vulgar is considered a massive FAILURE. Of course it is. "Secrecy" is "necessary in the preservation of the Mysteries" by definition. Any time the "vulgar" become involved, an operation ceases to be "most covert" -- and so we'd have to speculate about something else. Maybe those "slightly" covert operations of the Mighty, which include such tibetan sand paintings as history. The symbol is a curious thing in that it may be wielded to veil or reveal. It is neither transparent nor inscrutable, neither mute [boris karloff tongueless in giza] nor blabberous. Neither "grudging" or "generous" -- or either, depending on the bystander. The letter may be purloined. The "vulgar" may hear the "formula" repeated with every heartbeat, and not know it for itself. [more praise of toilet training follows, followed by discussion of tactics] >>The seducer makes no call without reply, even though reply is >>impossible. > >no comprendo The daring magician works without regard for apparent likelihood -- or "results" -- but leaves the windows open in case the miraculous should stop by. To live "as though" the beloved existed is to make the beloved possible. [tactics] >zombies, kleppa One man's kleppa is another man's kipper. [tactics]