Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.pagan.magick,alt.religion.voodoo,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.witchcraft Subject: Re: Voodoo Dolls to Control Someone (was VODDOO ...) Date: 5 Jun 2002 13:48:56 -0400 Organization: Echinacea Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <15805-3CF5E731-33@storefull-2256.public.lawson.webtv.net> <20020602015811.03011.00002256@mb-da.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1023299116 20066 166.84.1.2 (5 Jun 2002 17:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:32919 alt.magick:304309 alt.pagan.magick:33126 alt.religion.voodoo:299 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:34137 alt.witchcraft:42330 In article , blackman99 wrote: [dolls go away] > additional materials necessary in the spell? Compelling > Oil? Commanding Oil? Calamus? where does the tradition > of associating Calamus root with domination derive? > > [Agrippa wasn't decisively behind the association, > at least not in his Three Books of Occult Philosophy. > I found no references to Calamus in Crowley's writings. > the hoodoo literature is full of it. perhaps it derives > from something Germanic (for example see > http://www.luckymojo.com/compelling.html > http://www.luckymojo.com/compelling.html ] The Germans were indeed fans of this smelly plant (closely related to the rushes that carried Moses to Egypt), but I'm also at a loss as to why it would be singled out for purposes of control. Mundane use revolves around its aromatic virtues (appetite, stimulant, insect repellant). In theory, its use in puppetry could be analogous to that of eyebright and other herbal "fluid condensers" in Bardonian practice. Crowley was likely most familiar through it in its role as a significant ingredient in canonical absinthe recipes of the era. There's talk it has both psychoactive and carcinogenic properties.