Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: glass@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: Christian magick? Date: 29 Jul 2002 12:29:39 -0400 Organization: The Rain Police (hyssop) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20020728195357.29551.00001345@mb-ft.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader3.panix.com 1027960179 12751 166.84.1.2 (29 Jul 2002 16:29:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:311358 In article <20020728195357.29551.00001345@mb-ft.aol.com>, Jonnytuk wrote: >a) There were any great Christian Magicians with sufficient writings to be >worth study; and Plenty, but the traces they leave behind are relatively scattered after the mainstream Christians and the non-Christian magicians picked them over. What we have left is a somewhat motley crew -- some saints (Francis Xavier, Albertus Magnus), some renegade priests (Trithemius, Ramon Lull), some illuminated artists (William Blake, Hieronymus Bosch), some heretics (Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy), some mystics (Jane Leade, Matthew Fox) and so on. Throw in a few of the people who define themselves as occultists but maintain some grounding in the Christian doctrine (Dion Fortune, Arthur Waite) and you've got something of a divine dozen shaping up. Meister Eckhart, Emmanuel Swedenborg, Basil Valentine, Louis Saint-Martin and Jakob Boehme weren't slouches either. >b) Whether there are any *current* Occult/Magickal Christian organisations? Many of them claim to be, few deliver. When I was your age I was a fan of Unity, which is a neoplatonist order disguised as a radio ministry network. If you're looking for something a bit more hardcore, check out any of the dozens of fine Martinist orders. They've got the good stuff. Best regards,