Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion.wicca,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.pagan.magick,alt.magick,alt.pagan Subject: Planetary Sequences in Magic/Religion References: <23cf48a7.0310050917.60079b3f@posting.google.com> <3F806B42.77F5@dmcom.net> <5741bd87ddf58fc7d55c681326cf8e6a@news.teranews.com> <3F807DDD.B71@dmcom.net> <5Ajjb.32285$dk4.879485@typhoon.sonic.net> From: lorax666 Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 134 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:39:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1066268388 208.201.242.18 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:39:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:39:48 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:41737 alt.religion.wicca:764684 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:37180 alt.pagan.magick:38966 alt.magick:358468 alt.pagan:375758 50031015 viii om lorax666's signature file included: #> =========================================================== #> ===== (Planetary Order Talisman --- Skip-1 Formula!) ===== #> ANCIENTS : M-2-3-1-5-6-7 (mean terracentric motion order) #> NIGRIS : 2-1-6-M-3-5-7 (a mysterious, hidden sequence!) #> WEEKDAYS : 1-M-5-2-6-3-7 (weekdays in the solar calendar) #> =========================================================== #> PLAN-KEY : 1-2-3-M-5-6-7 (Sun-Merc-Ven-Moon-Mars-Jup-Sat) #> ========== (Rotating Wisdom From The Ancients!) =========== #> =========================================================== note the modern astronomical cipher: 1=sun, 2=merc, 3=venus, 4=earth, M=moon, 5=mars, 6=jupiter, 7=saturn. note also that this can be expanded to include *11* (or even *12* if one includes the Oceanids between 5 and 6! to make a 1-to-1 mapping between Planets and Signs! Goddess of Groundhogs : # Could you take a minute and explain this, lorax? Thanx explained and elaborated upon here for the interested. #> =========================================================== #> ===== (Planetary Order Talisman --- Skip-1 Formula!) ===== #> ANCIENTS : M-2-3-1-5-6-7 (mean terracentric motion order) 'Ancients' above (aka 'The Ancient Order of the Planets' or The Chaldean Order of the Planets') -- the 'Chaldean Order of the Planets' (the 7 visible Planets) is an old magical symbol-structure keyed to the astronomical observation of the night sky whose sequence is derived from the apparent motion of the various celestial 'movers' (i.e. 'planets'), from our satellite Moon and stellar Sun to Saturn and others orbiting Sol). this sequence is identical to the 'spheres' presumed to be surrounding Terra in a geocentric and pre-Copernican cosmos and was the basis for most Middle-Eastern and hence European magical systems reflected in such classic texts as Agrippa's "Three Books of Occult Philosophy" from which so many ceremonial (and Neopagan) religious get our ideas about symbolism, especially astrological but also alchemical and within other applications. Agrippa and others often proceed inward from Saturn in this sequence when relating it (i.e. Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon). #> ===== (Planetary Order Talisman --- Skip-1 Formula!) ===== the "Skip-1 Formula!" which I am pointing out is a means of deriving the Weekday Sequence (see below) from this quite traditional cosmologic symbol-set, PLUS revealing a hidden order concealed within this age-old symbol-set! in brief, start with the Ancient Order of the Planets (esp. as presented from M(oon) to 7(Saturn)) and successively skip one in order to derive the intermediary ('Nigris') sequence. this is called the Nigris Sequence because of the Magus who has pointed it out to the world as the *only other possible configuration of these 7 Planets derivable from the Order of the Ancients in a septagram -- something that ceremonialists and magicians of the past enjoyed doing, but they did not, as far as I can determine, identify this sequence in their primary works in any direct way. method: thus skipping M we obtain 2, skipping 3 we get 1, etc. in a circular return, until the Nigris Sequence is obtained thus: ANCIENTS => NIGRIS M 2 2 1 3 6 1 M 5 3 6 5 7 7 #> NIGRIS : 2-1-6-M-3-5-7 (a mysterious, hidden sequence!) the implication of the Nigris Sequence is as yet undetermined. it is the only other sequence derivable (along with their reverses) from the Chaldean Order of the Planets of old. that it begins with Mercury rather than Sun (Weekday) or Moon ('Chaldean') is indicative of its potential magical value (Mercury is the god of magic, and this hidden sequence may yield greater power). #> WEEKDAYS : 1-M-5-2-6-3-7 (weekdays in the solar calendar) applying the same Skip-1 formula, the Nigris Sequence may be used to derive the Weekday Sequence. skipping 2 we obtain 1, skipping 6 we get 6, etc. in a circular return, until the Weekday Sequence is obtained thus: NIGRIS => WEEKDAYS 2 1 1 M 6 5 M 2 3 6 5 3 7 7 #> ===== (Planetary Order Talisman --- Skip-1 Formula!) ===== #> ========== (Rotating Wisdom From The Ancients!) =========== I constructed the Planetary Order Talisman as a .signature file in order to publicize this esoteric secret to the magicoreligious communities online. it is keyed to both esoteric (e.g. Agrippan) and mundane (solar calendar, Sunday/Monday/Tuesday=>Saturday) contexts. the method of derivation may be simplified by mapping these to a septagram/heptagram (7-pointed star), and the Nigris Sequence is a unique discovery (along with its reverse) which I'd like to make available to the esoteric community of modern times. it is very easy to start with any of these sequences and derive the rest in a variety of skipping methods. I have presented here what I think will be the easiest to apprehend without septagraphic stars (which I may later compose for explanation purposes). thanks for your interest! pass it on! blessed beast! lorax666 -------------------------------------------------------- UNLESS hey, somebody's gotta talk for the beasts.