Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.pagan.magick Subject: Belief the Weak Basis of Magic References: <1bdf1a81.0401140926.80a1d78@posting.google.com> <_LVPb.10112$XF6.207177@typhoon.sonic.net> <9xoQb.24565$1e.9619@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:41:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1074933683 208.201.242.18 (Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:41:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:41:23 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:45714 alt.magick:365344 alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic:37438 alt.pagan.magick:40356 50040124 vii om nagasiva: #> use of the 'Alice Defense' ("Your nothing but a pack of #> cards!") is very popular amongst those who see magical #> conditions as strictly a state of belief or consciousness. #> ultimately it is undermining of magical activities by #> desiccation unless simultaneously supported with other #> activities or performed by a master. Tom: # The 'Scapegoat Defense' (Bad things happen to me because # a bad person cursed me!") is also very popular among # those who prefer not to examine their own faulty problem- # solving skills and unrealistic goals when faced with # frustration.... that's a different category of 'defense' than I meant. focussing on magic, some deal with apparent forces arrayed against one by intentional disbelief. Chaotes use the force of laughter in association with this as a sort of banishing. gathering together determined disbelief in the face of such appearances is a way that one might proceed -- one which has proven of benefit to a goodly number. this, and the contentions that components don't matter as much as intention and belief, can have serious undermining repercussions for those who are not conditioned to mental flexibility and a long-term familiarity with spellwork. nagasiva