Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.witchcraft,alt.fan.harry-potter Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.satanism,alt.religion.wicca,alt.witchcraft,alt.pagan,alt.fan.harry-potter Subject: Is Witchcraft Satanic (&Potter Books Therefore Demonic!)? References: <404be9a7$1_1@news.tm.net.my> From: elendraug Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 79 Message-ID: <4Sc5c.8725$_3.112019@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:23:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1079335424 208.201.242.18 (Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:23:44 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:23:44 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:46301 alt.magick:370306 alt.satanism:241270 alt.religion.wicca:828927 alt.witchcraft:69648 alt.fan.harry-potter:221632 50040314 vii om peace be with you, my kin! "selina" : #> Hi. I'm Selina and I have a question. I heard that Harry Potter story #> books/movies are demonic. Is it true? Any prove or evidence? "Chayil" : # Yes, it is demonic. It places in worldly terms of 'good or bad' # something that God has stated as unequivocally evil. There is # no good or bad witchcraft, it is all satanic. I don't recall a mention of "witchcraft" per se, though there are potion-brewing, classes for harvesting magical plants and caring for magical animals, which are both used for spells, etc. most of what is being shown instructed is wand-usage that bears a resemblance to stage magic or role-playing magic (in that the power more often is associated with the agent apparatus -- one whose internal composition includes a *bird's feather* -- and the antagonist/protagonist wands have phoenix feathers). # You haven't said so, but if you are a Christian, look at what # the Bible says about witchcraft, witches, familiar spirits, # and divination. probably quite a bit more than the Potter books do. their divination teacher, Trelawney, seemed primarily employed as a PROPHET, rather than someone who was competently familiar with the entirety of the divination curriculum. strangely, we are told nothing about what "arithmancy" includes, which Hermione is taking aside from the two boys while they are engaged with Trelawney. that is taught by someone else. Harry Potter books do indeed feature mentions of what could be called 'familiars', in that students and teachers have mail owls and additional pet animals for which they must care. one student has a pet rat, another has a toad, and yet another has a cat. none of these animals are depicted as intelligent, they do not inform the students how to put on flying ointment and to attend Witches' Sabbats, for example. they do not instruct the children in how to perform evil, sully the Host, or inform their charges of the glories of serving the Devil. in most cases they have anything to do with the antagonist in the stories, being unintentionally involved when so. there are of course certain exceptions, but these are more the incidence of an animal's being possessed by or imperson- ating an ordinary animal, rather than having a supernatural ability or being in league with an infernal, underworld evil. what does your Bible have to say about witches? don't give me any stories about badly translated 'poisoners' (of the town well), either. more important to me, what does it have to say about *familiars*? Potter isn't a really good resource on spells, the method of their creation, or even potions and how they are to be fashioned. its content is primarily fantastic, amusing, and entertaining, only occasionally making reference to real-world wizardry, magic, and witchery primarily through the Latin language and the manipulation of wands activation. Rowling's magical methods could easily make use of talismans, actual spellcasting, and divination were she interested. but the absence of traditional magical information of any depth makes the books more attractive to a wider audience. in fact the curriculum is primarily incidental to the plot, making amusing circumstances and awkward culture clashes, as when the non-magic-using Muggles glimpse fantastic magic use or when the Wizards are flummoxed by Muggle technology (with which magic *ought* to be compared in these stories, rather than directed infernal energetic powers on behalf of demons). peace be with you, elendraug SPEW! SPEW! SPEW! ------- Dobby did it! So can you! yronwode.com@nagasiva