Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.goetia,alt.magick Subject: Hypnosis and Magicians' Forbidding Chill References: <54q7a09f1khb8jcnc8baiboviq1hh9t9i6@4ax.com> From: nagasiva Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com User-Agent: nn/6.6.0 Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:47:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.242.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1085492834 208.201.242.18 (Tue, 25 May 2004 06:47:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:47:14 PDT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:47171 alt.magick.goetia:1848 alt.magick:374285 50040525 vii om #> which is why the G.'.D.'. and all other #> major (and otherwise) metaphysical religions forbids its use. Gnome d Plume : # ...The G.D. forbade "hypnosis" (not # self-hypnosis) because spiritualism and various mesmeristic stage and # salon "swamis" were enjoying notorious public notoriety in the # Victorian era. Unfortunately the G.D.'s ban extended to the use of # crystal orbs and dark mirrors as well because they were "hypnotic" # and popular with the "evil" drawing room swamis.... what is the value of magicians being forbade anything at all? does this serve any reliable interests we might identify? # This served to castrate G.D.magick in the areas of invocation and # evocation .... most moral injunctions against occult practices disable practical expression and exploration to some degree. the fearmongering of magicians in defense against shysters takes the unfortunate form of blackwashing all those engaged in "questionable" activities (often transgressive against the general religious notions that overlap into the societal community of the occult) as frauds. this, like the claim that all usenet is substanceless and contains no valuable conversation, has a chilling effect. do the religious and mystical moralizers know that this effect is arising due to their "concerned warnings"? in some cases the answer is yes. the intentions are an increase in religious activities to the detriment of occult practice. # ...Crystal orbs and dark # mirrors were the major conjuration devices of choice in Renaissance # High magick as any serious student of the Art well knows. There are # some ritualistic hangovers in the old obligations against hypnosis, # but it is no longer considered forbidden by those who seriously # practice the Magical Art----in fact hypnosis, in its various forms, # is what makes the Magical Art actually work. exemplary of how such forbidding can completely disable magical practices. if the device which makes magic work is forbidden in protection, at some point all magic ceases, ostensibly because the magicians (usually mystics, religious) have a sufficient interest in seeing the problems stop that they forbid even what is helpful to their presumed purposes (magic) in pursuit of the defusing of what they see as an associated issue (attention aggregating around those of questionable character). nagasiva