Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4048E596.A6344AE@luckymojo.com> From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: cat@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: DeLaurence Publishing (was Re: Heidrick References: <403f2fda.4570712@news.west.earthlink.net> <4040a2dc.5846281@news.west.earthlink.net> <4041e394.4436892@news.west.earthlink.net> <40447b60.4364884@news.west.earthlink.net> <40487193.4124625@news.west.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:30:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.116.182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1078518605 209.148.116.182 (Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:30:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:30:05 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:369489 Satyr wrote: > > heidrick@well.com (Bill Heidrick) writes: > > > Maybe De Laurence himself, maybe somebody > > connected to Plumber scribed it. > > Plumber? I'm afraid you lost me there. Me too. Who is Plumber? > One point that suggests an author other than de Laurence - > admittedly rather weak - is, why the somewhat conservative > date of 1880? Given the publisher's tendency to exaggeration, > a much older date would seem to have served his purposes better. I know of no instance of DeLaurence faking a date (unless what he was reprinting had come to him with a faked date, of which i am uncertain). DeLaurence (and the mysterious Scott, who appears as his co-publisher in some early editions) pirated books and DeLaurence claimed on the title pages to be their authors (most famously with Waite's Pictorial Key to the Tarot), but in this case, he did not sign his own name, which is atypical for him. I therefore assume that he is not the author. The problem with DeLaurence is that he cannot simply be dismissed as a book pirate. In addition to the pirated volumes, he apparently did write some of the books for which he claimed authorship -- but some, as is obvious from textual analysis, were ghost-written for him. (Alternatively, *all* of the non-pirated books were ghost-written, but by several hands.) As i have discussed here before with Poke Runyon, no one has yet produced an extensive annotated bibliography of the DeLaurence books, nor assigned actual or even tentative authorship to them. The DeLaurence family still controls the company and lives in Chicago -- anyone near there of a scholarly magical bent might do well to interview older family members and see if they have some information that might shed light on these conundrums. cat yronwode Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!ec13cbac!not-for-mail From: heidrick@well.com (Bill Heidrick) Newsgroups: alt.magick Subject: Re: DeLaurence Publishing (was Re: Heidrick Reply-To: heidrick@well.com Message-ID: <4049d21c.5187287@news.west.earthlink.net> References: <403f2fda.4570712@news.west.earthlink.net> <4040a2dc.5846281@news.west.earthlink.net> <4041e394.4436892@news.west.earthlink.net> <40447b60.4364884@news.west.earthlink.net> <40487193.4124625@news.west.earthlink.net> <4048E596.A6344AE@luckymojo.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 50 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 13:37:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.40.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1078580276 209.165.40.192 (Sat, 06 Mar 2004 05:37:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 05:37:56 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick:369560 93 Catherine, On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:30:05 GMT, catherine yronwode wrote: >Satyr wrote: >> >> heidrick@well.com (Bill Heidrick) writes: >> >> > Maybe De Laurence himself, maybe somebody >> > connected to Plumber scribed it. >> >> Plumber? I'm afraid you lost me there. > >Me too. Who is Plumber? See my reply to Satyr. Also, see books dealing with Crowley, Golden Dawn, Hermetic Brotherhood, etc. for accounts of Plummer. Most recent source book: _The Unknown God: W.T.Smith and the Thelemites_, Martin P. Starr, The Teitan Press, Inc, 2003, ISBN 0933429-07-X. >> One point that suggests an author other than de Laurence - >> admittedly rather weak - is, why the somewhat conservative >> date of 1880? Given the publisher's tendency to exaggeration, >> a much older date would seem to have served his purposes better. > >I know of no instance of DeLaurence faking a date (unless >what he was reprinting had come to him with a faked date, of >which i am uncertain). He did tend to copy other people's stuff fairly faithfully, deleting some material and often the author's name. :-) Sometimes he did pad, with an added introduction and a gaggle of adds for virgin parchment etc. >The problem with DeLaurence is that he cannot simply be >dismissed as a book pirate. In addition to the pirated >volumes, he apparently did write some of the books for which >he claimed authorship -- but some, as is obvious from >textual analysis, were ghost-written for him. >(Alternatively, *all* of the non-pirated books were >ghost-written, but by several hands.) True, although his own material seems mostly like that, either a collection of pirated scraps or a jobbed out thing. 93 93/93 Bill Heidrick heidrick@well.com