Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!hadron.us.oracle.com!nrider From: nrider@hadron.us.oracle.com (Anne B. "Nonie" Rider) Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca,alt.magick.tyagi,alt.religion,alt.pagan,alt.mythology,talk.religion.newage,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.greece Subject: Re: AAvalon: Olympic Ritual to Hestia Date: 27 Jun 1996 22:34:34 GMT Organization: Oracle Corp. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4qv29q$8ef@inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com> References: <4qt2ur$n52@news.greatbasin.net> <4ouucg$e7l@netnews.upenn.edu> <4pfc34$voq@mule1.mindspring.com> <4pqsml$4u3@jobe.shell.portal.com> <4prqao$a5e@jobe.shell.portal.com> Reply-To: nrider@hadron.us.oracle.com (Anne B. "Nonie" Rider) NNTP-Posting-Host: hadron.us.oracle.com Xref: shell.portal.com alt.religion.wicca:32689 alt.magick.tyagi:9099 alt.religion:2564 alt.pagan:164770 alt.mythology:28142 talk.religion.newage:53786 talk.religion.misc:227317 greyhawke@circledance.reno.nv.us (GreyHawke) wrote: > Yes, they honored Zeus. But there is strong evidence that the Olympic > games began before patriarchy came in. And these games were for Hera and > they were woman's games. > > The northern tribes conquered the Greek area and brought patriarchy > with them. They also brought Zeus and changed a lot of the myths. (For > example, 'Hurcules' was once "Heracles" and was Hera's great warrior, not > her enemy.) When Zeus came in he raped Hera and forced her to marry him. > Also, the Delphi Oracle began with just women. When patriarchy came the > women were thrown out (except for the prophesy priestess - but a priest > interpreted) and the Oracle was given to Apollo. With love, sister (or brother), please check the level of scholarship in your sources. There is little or no evidence for these claims; they are a modern feminist attempt to unravel ancient tangles in yarn that fell to dust years ago. I sympathize DEEPLY with the desire to find the face of the Goddess among those stomping gods, but we still need to keep speculation separate from scholarship. --Nonie, with apologies