From tyagi@bjt.net Tue Nov 19 09:12:15 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com ([165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05321 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 07:34:42 -0500 Received: by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA24542; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:14:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:14:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199611191014.CAA24542@kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: Mythology/9611.nrsrthn.cea From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O >Path: kudonet.com!news.scruz.net!miwok!news1.best.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.brewich.com!robomod!srp-submit >From: cea20@cus.cam.ac.uk (Carl Edlund Anderson) >Newsgroups: alt.pagan,soc.religion.paganism >Subject: Re: Saturday, Loki, Tueton's and Jupiter Columns >Date: 14 Nov 1996 11:16:19 -0600 >Organization: St. John's College, University of Cambridge >Lines: 52 >Sender: srpbot@news.brewich.com >Approved: SRP Approval Key >Message-ID: >References: <327E021F.9B0B8BE@sys.uea.ac.uk> >NNTP-Posting-Host: brewich.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-SRP-Homepage: http://www.brewich.com/org/srp/index.html >X-SRP-Info-1: Send submissions to srpbot@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-2: Send technical complaints to srp-admin@brewich.com >X-SRP-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to srp-modkin@brewich.com >X-Robomod-Written-By: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) >X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 >X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP soc.religion.paganism > iQBVAwUBMotT4FzemumcYbkZAQEUCgH/TeB5j7Wj7YpqsqGBQqpmDZrualzkLKcf > TIhbzMIKc2dfQcKdHA7uDIZHRRZqAl5KtJPcM9FqB36XY9MlQgQ6Dg== > =6sIx >Xref: kudonet.com alt.pagan:157634 soc.religion.paganism:3217 In article , Darrell Manrique wrote: > On 10 Nov 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > The difficulties of sorting out which goddess may or not be the same as > > or very similar to which other goddess is complex. However, Friday was > > certainly considered Frigg's day, considering that the original Old Norse > > was _frjádagr_, from an earlier _fríggjardagr_. > > > > No day names directly associated with Freyr or Freyja. > > Not so -- the Oxford English Dictionary gives _freyjudagr_ as an alternate > Old Norse name for Friday, and points out that this is actually a more > exact translation of _dies Veneris_ ("day of Venus" in Latin). You're right--I stand corrected! However, the only example of its use which I've been able to find is in the _Breta sögur_ (_Breta so"gur_) which is a translation of Geoffrey of Monmouth's _Historia Regum Britaniae_. In other words, rather post-heathen. I agree that _freyjudagr_ would be a better translation of _dies Veneris_, and I suspect that this is what happened here--the Icelandic translator made a learned creation of _freyjudagr_, since by that time the standard Icelandic word for Friday would have been _föstudagr_ (_fo"studagr_), and frjádagr/fríggjardagr was being forgotten. BTW, it's worth noticing that _fríggjardagr_ was almost certainly *not* a direct Norse translation of the Latin. It was probably borrowed from German (cf. OHG _fríatag_, MLG _vrídach_) or Old English (fr > I would imagine Frigg would be a closer equivalent of Juno/Hera. Juno was > rarely used in the middle ages as a name for the planet Jupiter. > But Jupiter's day is Thursday. Wouldn't it be delightfully confusing if > we had "Frigg's day" for Thursday and "Freyja's day" for Friday? :) > > Anyway, I wanted to point out that the practice of translating the weekday > names (& the planets' names at the same time) goes back through at least > two previous translations, Greek to Latin and Egyptian to Greek. I was > wondering if anyone knows the Egyptian names? I know that Thoth was used > for Mercury (the planet), so that would be Wednesday, and Moloch was (?) > used for Mars; I think Isis/Aset was Venus. I would be very interested in > learning the rest, & also learning more about the Egyptian deities bearing > these names, if anyone has anything to share? > > Darrell > So many millions of people are getting on the Web these days . . . it's > just unbelievable . . . I mean, imagine the size of the Spider. . . .