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Subject: Re: Strict Hinduism (was Re: True Enlightenment)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:14:50 GMT
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In article <HInK3.675$ry3.7684@news.rdc1.ne.home.com>,
  "iamyhwh" <iamyhwh@home.com> wrote:


Tang: <<To rephrase what you say: (1) Nothing and nobody separate
exists, and (2) no self exists anywhere in anything or anybody, except
as a fiction thought-up by mentation.>>

iamyhwh: <<Yet this was not proposed as being the truth, this was
proposed as being a very useful point of view. This point of view,
although possibly untrue makes enlightenment easier to realize. Its
really tricky to see what is actually true, when one's fictions tend to
become physically manifest actualities... When physically manifest
reality is realized as fictitious, then the line between real and
imaginary ceases to be.>>

What you are saying is strict Hinduism and not Buddhism: <<When
physically manifest reality is realized as fictitious, then the line
between real and imaginary ceases to be.>> In Buddhism, there is
fiction, which is mentation, and reality, which is sensible reality.
Reality is free of mentation, whereas in Hinduism, there is only
mentation/thought, which creates all reality, which latter is therefore
illusory. As you say: <<when one's fictions tend to become physically
manifest actualities...>>, which is a definition of maya. Indeed there
is in Hinduism no physical actuality outside of the thought of
Brahma/God.

In Hinduism, it is also called prapańca "(worldly) development", in the
physical sense, while in Buddhism, the same word means "(mental)
proliferation", purely in the mental sense. In Hinduism, mental
development turns physical and *becomes* the world (which does *not*
exist outside of that development), in Buddhism mental proliferation
occurs on top of sensible reality and the two are separate.

In Tibetan Buddhism, there is the view that all reality is projection,
as expounded recently by Kent Sandvik in TRB, and that is a faithful
copy of Hinduism (or a blend of Hinduism and shamanism) that tries to
pass itself off as Buddhism.

Tang Huyen


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