From order@luckymojo.com Mon Nov 25 22:15:38 2002 Return-Path: order@luckymojo.com Received: from server19.option.net (server19.option.net [206.246.226.71]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id gAQ6FbB13709 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:15:37 -0800 Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by server19.option.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26246 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12166 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 06:15:35 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 06:15:35 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.69 (d75.nas1.seb.sonic.net [209.204.150.75]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id gAQ6FY517292 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:15:34 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3DE31382.2CFC@luckymojo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:24:38 -0800 From: catherine yronwode Reply-To: order@luckymojo.com Organization: Lucky Mojo Curio Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nagasiva@luckymojo.com Subject: [Fwd: Sexually Objectifying Language and Possession in Vodou] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7F933C1354F2" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FWD_MSG,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NOSPAM_INC, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7F933C1354F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Worth archiving? --------------7F933C1354F2 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: racine125@aol.com (Mambo Racine Sans Bout) Newsgroups: alt.religion.orisha Subject: Sexually Objectifying Language and Possession in Vodou Date: 25 Nov 2002 09:18:50 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.52.11.30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1038244730 27130 127.0.0.1 (25 Nov 2002 17:18:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Nov 2002 17:18:50 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.religion.orisha:14859 A long time ago, when Vodou was being described by "ethnographers" who were anxious to dissociate themselves from the subject they were studying, it was fashionable to seek sexual metaphors to describe Vodou ceremonies and especially possession by lwa. Seabrook, in "The Magic Island", wrote of "lust-maddened, blood-maddened, god-maddened" ceremonies, for instance. Even academic types made all sorts of semi-sexual allusions based on the Creole term "monte", meaning "to mount", as in, "the lwa mounted the person". Some even imagined that this is the reason for having lots of female hounsis, because a lwa can more easily "mount" a woman than a man. On New Orleans Voodoo, too, sexually objectifying stereotypes were promoted in the past, in New Orleans mostly by the anti-Voodoo crowd. The newspaper articles of the day in the "Picayune" portrayed ceremonies as wild orgies. This is all ridiculous! Even today, one fellow is even posting on the Internet about possession in this way, although at least he is able to quote me (without credit, that is to say, plagiarize my work) and explain that possession "is considered normal, natural, and wholly desirable within the context of a service". Unfortunately, he apparently is fooled by one of these "ethnographers", a certain Judy Rosenthal, who he quotes as follows: " ...(paraphrasing) "the ecstasy of trance is the ravishing cradle of Vodou(n) law. The lwa come to possess their children largely because they want to dance in pleasure. The hounsi or vodounsi who is ravished by his or her lwa becomes one with that lwa. The hounsi has taken the lwa as surely as the lwa has taken the hounsi. The hounsi knows the ecstasy of the lwa as his or her own. Knowledge and practice of the laws of Vodou are the means by which the adept comes in to contact with this pleasure of the lwa ..." (Rosenthal 1998). Now, "ravish" has as synonyms "assault, defile, deflower, rape, seduce, violate". We are not assaulted or raped by the lwa! Even the less violent synonyms are sexually objectifying, when in fact expressions of sexuality are not encouraged in Vodou service! We are not "ravished" by the lwa, and no sexual activity takes place during a ceremony. On the more spiritual level, again, it is untrue that "The hounsi or vodounsi who is ravished by his or her lwa becomes one with that lwa... The hounsi knows the ecstasy of the lwa as his or her own." On the contrary, the hounsi who becomes possessed by a lwa knows nothing, nothing at all! No "ecstatsy", nothing. Being possessed by a lwa is like going to sleep, you don't remember anything about it, it's not a "ravishment" or a sexual thrill or anything like that. It's a sacrifice, a sacrifice of the possessed person's time and energy, allowing their body and their brain to be used by the lwa for the betterment of everyone else present. There is so much to marvel at in Vodou service, so much of genuine value - there is no need to misrepresent Vodou in order to titillate and intrigue non-Vodouisants. Peace and love, Bon Mambo Racine Sans Bout Sa Te La Daginen "Se bon ki ra" - Good is rare Haitian proverb The VODOU Page - http://members.aol.com/racine125/index.html (Posting from Jacmel, Haiti) --------------7F933C1354F2--