Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: lightsarah@hotmail.com (Sarah L.) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Thoughts on wicca... Date: 8 Feb 2004 12:09:46 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 62 Message-ID: <72a20c0c.0402081209.3e453115@posting.google.com> References: <20040120142229272-0500@news.valley.net> <9jcs009j1dlfpvrcnjhn88triq4bli0g5p@4ax.com> <65b510td78sv6c5p9vhbd1lift41u7feo7@4ax.com> <4012E9ED.DCD5D9B6@luckymojo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.40.61.62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1076270987 4023 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2004 20:09:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:45869 catherine yronwode wrote in message news:<4012E9ED.DCD5D9B6@luckymojo.com>... > seven wrote: > > > > On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:16:35 GMT, Raist wrote: > > > >Unfortunately, I would be inclined to think it *has* evolved, the way a > > >gentleman's game of blackjack evolves into a Native American casino. > > > > As bad as those things are for the First People, it is kind of an > > ironic retribution, to have an active part in corrupting the society > > that survived theirs. > > Gaming is not "corrupting" per se. I respectfully suggest that > you investigate the extremely important role gambling played in > the culture of many Native tribes before the abstemious > Protestants showed up and told them that gaming was "bad." > > Cordially, > > cat yronwode > > Gamblers' Lucky Charms: http://www.luckymojo.com/gamblersluck.html In my own region, this is definitely true, gaming is still important to local Native folks, both as traditional bone games and modern casinos. A few years back I, a non-native, was taught how to play a bone game, by a Native college professor, and I've seen other folks play them on the coast. Some info here: http://www.squaxinisland.org/frames.html?pages/enterprises/casino/casino.html~siteContent Brief useful mention here: http://news.theolympian.com/150th/96237.shtml Also: http://www.cwis.org/fwdp/Americas/wwtreaty.txt Continued existence of viable Indian communities, "tribes", "bands", and so on, is not dependent upon nor coterminous with federal recognition. There may be biological, cultural, and geographic continuity since pre- treaty times, as in the case of the Sauk-Suiattle, for example, without federal recognition. Continuing Indian identity is evidenced by (a) overt traits of aboriginal Indian culture which continue into the present (e.g., language, food preservation methods, games such as lahal, the "bone game", winter dances with the associated spiritual beliefs, art forms, kinship and social links); (b) aboriginal forms which have been melded with introduced ideas to create new, but uniquely Indian features (e.g., the Shaker Church, Indian sweaters, and the modern invention, the Coast Salish spinning device); and (c) persistence of traditional knowledge and belief in the importance of that knowledge (e.g., community histories, location of fishing sites, myths, tales, and songs). This knowledge is as relevant to Indian identity as the knowledge of American history is to the "Americanism" of all of us. Above from Treaty Rights Workshop, Background of Treaty Making in Western Washington, by Barbara Lane, PhD. Incredible work, worth reading through to understand more fully the context and importance of gaming. Sarah Light