Path: typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: i@no.self (!) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.misc,alt.satanism,alt.zen Subject: Re: Dark Zen? Organization: Sonoma Interconnect,Santa Rosa,CA(us),http://www.sonic.net Lines: 50 Sender: yronwode@sonic.net Message-ID: <8bmrg6$tia@bolt.sonic.net> References: Reply-To: spam@luckymojo.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.4 (NOV) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:27:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.201.224.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 954134850 208.201.224.36 (Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:27:30 PST Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:22298 alt.philosophy.zen:37526 talk.religion.buddhism:118644 talk.religion.misc:312230 alt.satanism:143311 alt.zen:167566 a@a.com: | Any takers on this subject? in many euro-american cultures the prefiguring "dark" implies somehow objectionable or heinous activities or beliefs. for the conservative Buddhist, this may imply the practice of Zen with intentional breakage of the so-called "Precepts" of monastic discipline (something of a variable, but traditionally congregating around the personal behaviour of the monk) this could escalate into a somewhat flagrant affair on par with what are today called 'Black Masses by modern Satanists (conditioning-breaking rituals) perhaps dark zen would concentration on the DESTRUCTION of the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha, or on a particular interpretation of the 8-fold Path which would be considered horrendous and unthinkable to the traditional monastics (suggestions?) one obvious option would be an intentional breakage of the principle of 'ahimsa' in some kind of ritual sacrifice. perhaps this could be a pig let to rot and fed as an offering to a statue of Gotama Buddha, initiating his Parinirvana other kinds of 'dark zen' that come to the mind of this twisted one include magical activities on the part of zen aspirants in an attempt to acquire for them- selves a type of achievement through works of power rather than discipline. an example here would be a kind of parasiticism on the zazen of fellow monks such that the benefits they would normally acquire from the sitting would instead be transferred to the dark zen mage more elaborate plots could include an attempt to move the human race into the Realm of Nirvana through some kind of holocaust brought about through meditating on fulcrums of global assault (catalyzing some kind of nuclear war amongst the nations of the world, for example, with the objective that, with less humans on the planet, the job of 'saving all sentient beings' would be made that much easier -- mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired