Path: typhoon.sonic.net!pushkin.conxion.com!news.he.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed3.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!uutiset.saunalahti.fi!not-for-mail From: hhannula@pp.htv.fi (Harri Hannula) Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.tantra,alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: Zen in Books? (was [Hindu Tantra and Buddhist Tantra] ...) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:13:56 GMT Organization: SAUNALAHDEN asiakas Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3925e013.4186485@uutiset.saunalahti.fi> References: <392d5db5.37751089@uutiset.saunalahti.fi> <8fvr10$u4u$1@nnrp9.crl.com> <8g0c3r$js5@bolt.sonic.net> <39240375.9B4EFFB9@bu.edu> <39258630.DA8610B2@bu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs81152.pp.htv.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: tron.sci.fi 958785210 24271 212.90.81.152 (20 May 2000 01:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2000 01:13:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:23108 alt.magick.tantra:15982 alt.zen:174567 alt.philosophy.zen:40669 talk.religion.buddhism:124425 On Fri, 19 May 2000 14:21:36 -0400, in the vajracyberspace, the virtual emanation of Manjughosa spoke thus: >The Heart sutra is chanted all over Great Vehiclistic churches, Zendos included, >and it says: > >Emptiness is not different from form >Form is not different from emptiness >Just emptiness is form >Just form is emptiness.>> > >..............this is how I understand the above four line: <emptiness; emptiness is form" quite simply means that form, just where it is and >just as it is, has no essence, and therefore is empty, i. e., empty of essence, >and that absence of essence, aka emptiness, right where it is and just as it is, >is the form that we perceive. There is no inexistence involved, as form -- >phenomenon as it appears to us -- is just what it is, exactly where it is, but >the essence that we unconsciously impute to it -- Dharmatroll's self-stuff >invested by us -- is absent. So, absent the mentation that imputes essence, all >is reality, right where it is, without further ado, and on the contrary, when >that mentation is present and imputes essence, just that is delusion. That is >all there is both to the slogan and to Buddhism.>> Ah, Guru Protector Tangjushri, you just gave an exemplary explanation of the prasangika madhyamika point of view.... your words sounded exactly as they would have been spoken by Holy Chandrakirti himself!!! TADYATHA OM GATE GATE PARAGATE PARASAMGATE BODHI SÖHA Having read this, all of the cybersangha present rejoiced in the words of the Victorious One, holder of the lineage of Shakyamuni, Nagarjuna, Chandrakirti, Atisha, and Je Tsongkhapa, the Great Tang Huyen. Harri Hannula