To: talk.religion.buddhism From: namdrol@aol.com (Namdrol)] Subject: Re: Siddhartha Guatama's teachings? Date: 49941122 ....I am really tired of Westerners blithely assuming that the prejuidices of Western scholarship about the authenticity of various Buddhist scriptures established in the 19th century are somehow a canonical "fact". I wish you all would just read Vasubandhus's Abhidharmakoshabhasyam, you will find that even the Hinayana schools in India could not agree with each other on what was a scripture of the Buddha as opposed to a a forgery. There is absolutely no good evidence to contradict that the core of many Mahayana sutras are derived from authentic oral tradtions from the Buddha, further, there is the fact of revelation by enlightened beings lika Nagarjuna, who were in direct contact with Sambhoghakaya realms ("Mere assertion!" the peanut gallery cries in outrage). The Buddha had many different types of disciples, monks, nuns, yogis, laypeople, prostitutes who passed down many oral traditions. Further, Buddhavacana as defined by Vasubandhu is merely any scripture which is consistent with the teaching of dependent origination, which in point of fact, all Mahayana sutras are. YITD Namdrol