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In article <4f087a$2an@sundog.tiac.net>, <williams@tiac.net> writes:

> I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that the idea of Nibbana isn't
> all that usefull to someone who doesn't believe in the neverending
> cycles of an eternal atoministic self.  Since I picture myself as
> sort of dissolving upon death anyway, I kind of have trouble
> identifying with being released from personal reincarnation.
> 
> I was sort of poking at Mibbana looking for a relationship to
> compassion, but there doesn't really seem to be one.  I don't
> need Nibbana for compassion anyway -- that follows from paticca
> samuppada.
> 

My own understanding of Nibbana stops short of "my" consciousness being reborn 
as well.

I have heard Nibbana defined as the dissolution (or similar word) of ill-will, 
greed and delusion.  This kind of unsophisticated definition is one I can work 
with; Nibbana becomes a work in progress -- and one which may perhaps be more 
completed by some than others.

Jack Carroll



