Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com!usenet From: wboscoho@usa.pipeline.com(Bosco Ho) Newsgroups: alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan Subject: Re: Tibetean Buddhist reincarnation. Date: 11 Feb 1996 17:36:30 GMT Organization: Pipeline USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4fl9eu$fsj@news1.usa.pipeline.com> References: <4fku1p$1sf@news1.usa.pipeline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pipe17.h1.usa.pipeline.com X-PipeUser: wboscoho X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Bosco Ho) On Feb 11, 1996 14:21:45 in article , 'GeneIn@usa.pipeline.com(gene)' wrote: >On Feb 10, 1996 03:57:22 in article , >'flipdanc@speakeasy.org (Philip Rosemond)' wrote: >>Zen >>Tibetan > >how does this differ from zen buddhism? > >GeneIn \view from a lifeboat/ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Both belong to the Mahayana category, for classification purposes. Therefore, both are lineages for the purpose of propogating the Buddhadharma. However, there are of different lineages. Tibetan Buddhism includes the four major lineages of Nymingma, Gelug, Kagyu and Sakya. It encompasses the Hinayana, Mahayana and Vajrayana. Zen, after the initial propogation from Bodhisattva Bodhidharma in China, has 5 sects, such as Soto and Rinzai. Unfortunately, because of its stress of the use of Perfection of Wisdom, a lot of people did not recognize the compassion aspect of it. Some commentators, such as Garma CC Chang, who are trained in both draw the distinction in terms of methods. A lot of time, the Tibetan method is very explicit. Therefore, there are all sort of commitments and requirements. On the other hand, Zen can be pretty elusive. The goal, however, is the same. Both are concerned the adherents confuse *the finger with the moon* To recap, both are grounded in the 4 Noble Truths, the refuge in the 3 jewels and the 3 (or 4, depending on how one counts them) Dharma Seals etc. According to Ven Dharma Master Sheng Yen, both are best learned from qualified teachers. YITD bh -- Namo Buddhaya Namo Dharmaya Namo Sanghaya