Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr2.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Namdrol" Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.religion.buddhism,talk.religion.buddhism References: <9l3nis018et@drn.newsguy.com> <9l43o1$ci$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <9l505i02f01@drn.newsguy.com> <9l67gu$msr$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <9lajbu$snc@bolt.sonic.net> <9lb6sr$nlk$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <9lfs02$h2f@bolt.sonic.net> Subject: Re: 500-Year Buddha Cycles? (was Join the ...) Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Trace: +rvUKiJNakVZETuXoZ2xf3cw2DCvROeDgpdxFK5FW/zQmV1YGvfo+EHtUocrU5LkfroBxlzo3C5i!45lr15lxVXmgdzc7W+C9Tnhsg2LjoNZvWqcPOEyqr4QNhhnybegKEMy4Hs9TNAHlynjE7Au80AOR!cPX4woZxjQ4a X-Complaints-To: abuse@gtei.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:31:58 GMT Distribution: world Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:31:58 GMT Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:28718 alt.zen:245815 alt.philosophy.zen:75908 talk.religion.buddhism:168870 The Buddha predicted in variousd places the longevity of his dispensation. The standard length is 2500 years. The first one thousand years are fruitional. The second are formal-- i.e. the teaching of Dharma occurs, but no realization occurs. The last five hundred years is the period of decline. If we accept Richard Gombrich's dates for the parinirvana of the Buddha to be 400 BCE-- this puts us smack dab in the last century of the decline of Dharma. Namdrol "!" wrote in message news:9lfs02$h2f@bolt.sonic.net... > my favourite alt.zen poster, "Ned Ludd" : > |#> There is no justification for teaching the dharma. > > !: > |# in order to destroy it before it makes more slaves? > > Ned: > | Doesn't seem to have worked so far. By anyone. Unless it got > | thoroughly corrupted, and we don't know the real dharma anymore. > > and if you presume as much? > > | (What age is this, how many 500-year years periods have there > | been since Buddha's death?) > > there are Buddhic Ages? please elaborate. we are in different > cultural time fields at all moments. what have Buddhists found > out about the ages we should know? is it archaeoastronomical? > I just learned of the Chinese shamans' Hamlet, a goddess whom > I've loved for many moons. I had no idea she and Kwan Yin were > sisters (Hsi Wang Mu) > > | You can order anything you want. But you have to eat all of > | it when it gets here. > > I'll take "do what you please" > -- > emailed replies may be posted ----- "sa avidya ya vimuktaye" ----- > "that which liberates is ignorance" http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html > hoodoo catalogue: send postal address to catalogues@luckymojo.com Path: typhoon.sonic.net!feed.news.sonic.net!newsfeed2.skycache.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Ned Ludd" Newsgroups: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,talk.religion.buddhism Subject: Re: 500-Year Buddha Cycles? (was Join the ...) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:59:15 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 63 Message-ID: <9lgqkq$8op$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> References: <9l3nis018et@drn.newsguy.com> <9l43o1$ci$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> <9l505i02f01@drn.newsguy.com> <9l67gu$msr$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> <9lajbu$snc@bolt.sonic.net> <9lb6sr$nlk$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> <9lfs02$h2f@bolt.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a8.bf.6f.72 X-Server-Date: 16 Aug 2001 15:59:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: typhoon.sonic.net alt.magick.tyagi:28727 alt.zen:245861 alt.philosophy.zen:75935 talk.religion.buddhism:168910 Namdrol wrote in message news:OaOe7.1$HX.8894@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net... >my favourite alt.zen poster, "Ned Ludd" : >|#> There is no justification for teaching the dharma. > >!: >|# in order to destroy it before it makes more slaves? > >Ned: >| Doesn't seem to have worked so far. By anyone. Unless it got >| thoroughly corrupted, and we don't know the real dharma anymore. > > and if you presume as much? > >| (What age is this, how many 500-year years periods have there >| been since Buddha's death?) > > there are Buddhic Ages? please elaborate. we are in different > cultural time fields at all moments. what have Buddhists found > out about the ages we should know? is it archaeoastronomical? > I just learned of the Chinese shamans' Hamlet, a goddess whom > I've loved for many moons. I had no idea she and Kwan Yin were > sisters (Hsi Wang Mu) > >| You can order anything you want. But you have to eat all of >| it when it gets here. > > I'll take "do what you please" > Namdrol: > The Buddha predicted in variousd places the longevity of his > dispensation. > The standard length is 2500 years. The first one thousand years > are fruitional. The second are formal-- i.e. the teaching of Dharma > occurs, but no realization occurs. The last five hundred years is > the period of decline. If we accept Richard Gombrich's dates for > the parinirvana of the Buddha to be 400 BCE-- this puts us smack > dab in the last century of the decline of Dharma. > According to the footnote on pg. 116 of "Buddhist Mahayana Texts": "It is stated in the fifty-first section of the Mahasannipata-sutra, that Buddha said: "After my Nirvana, in the first 500 years, all the Bhikshus and others will be strong in deliberation in my correct Law. (Those who first obtain the 'holy fruit' i.e. the Srota-apannas, are called those who have obtained deliberation.) In the next or second 500 years, they will be strong in meditation. In the next or third 500 years, they will be strong in 'much learning,' i.e. bahusruta, religious knowledge. In the next or fourth 500 years, they will be strong in founding monasteries, etc. In the last or fifth 500 years, they will be strong in fighting and reproving. The pure (lit. white) Law will then become invisible." If we take Buddha's death year as 483 B.C. then: 483 BC + 2500 = 2017 AD Ned