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Zen originates in the Mahayana part of the Buddhist tradition, linked 
with Taoist thought in China, with Shinto naturalism in Japan, with 
existential philosophizing in America, and with electronic verbiage in 
UseNet.

Zen originates in all of these and more, 
	in none of these and less

Sitting in meditation, the spring arrives.



Frank, 
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From: lchance@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Linda Chance)
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zepfan@teleport.com wrote:
: > I'd say that Zen is a Japanese variant of Buddhism

: Zen is of Chinese origin, not Japanese.

Zen has origins in India, brought to China by Bodhidharma; it developed 
there under the influence of Huike, Huineng, Linchi, and others, who 
brought Taoist ideas into the mix.  It was then carried to Japan by Eisai 
and Dogen (among others), and to Korea and Southeast Asia.  In each place 
Zen developed slightly differently than in other areas.  In the 
nineteenth and twentieth centuries, if has come to Europe, America, and 
the rest of the world, and continues to evolve.

But that is the history of Zen, which is not to say the essence.  You can 
only discover that through meditation...

Frank, from Linda's account


