Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.ios.com!sean From: skelly@interramp.com (Sean Kelly) Newsgroups: alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.zen,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.psychoactive,rec.drugs.psychedelic,alt.drugs.psychedelic,alt.magick.tyagi Subject: Re: Zen and Psychoactives (was Re: psychoactives and practice) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 15:26:35 GMT Organization: Internet Online Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4tansf$g5g@news.ios.com> References: <31DBEC50.1B56@earthlink.net> <4rgs9r$491@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <4runvn$aop@jobe.shell.portal.com> <31F24518.7DBC@earthlink.net> <31F24A3F.67F5@indiana.edu> <31F2A845.5189@earthlink.net> <31F53A89.DBC@indiana.edu> <31F7ACBE.58AC@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-55.ts-7.hck.idt.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: shell.portal.com alt.philosophy.taoism:4893 alt.zen:38103 alt.philosophy.zen:8677 rec.drugs.psychedelic:15816 alt.magick.tyagi:9755 In article <31F7ACBE.58AC@earthlink.net>, "\"No Fear\"" wrote: >Nathan Engle wrote: >> IMO probably the saddest thing about the use of the drugs is >> that they make early progress too easy, and therefore don't really >> prepare aspirants for the difficulty of the road ahead. Of course >> this discussion is highly optimistic to begin with - I doubt that >> even one "trip" in a thousand is taken with spiritual growth as the >> aim. > >Again a thousand thanks yous for well thought out comments. I agree, I >agree. Excellent point. I'd heard that some zen buddist monks tried MDMA, and one commented that its effects were what he had spent a lifetime of meditation etc. to achieve. He said that it was a good experience to give someone insight into what can be achieved, and shed some light on the path, but that it's no substitute for what he'd done. I think it's easy to get caught believing that they are the endpoint rather than just another potential vehicle on the journey -- good at giving insight, if that is your goal, but not the answer to everything :). -Sean >Madelynn >> -- > > >> "Some Assembly Required"