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From: karen_mc@mindspring.com (karen)
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Subject: Re: Zen and Taoism
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:27:22 GMT
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On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:14:18 -0500, Ardie Von Störenfried
<ardent10@idt.net> wrote:

>Tjn wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Hu Shih (the most radical voice: he did not believe Ch'an was Buddhism at all,
>> but a revolt against it!)
>
>Not exactly Toshu.  

Actually, Lawrence wrote the above.

>He actually said:
>
>"Chinese Zennism arose not out of Indian yoga or dhyana but as a revolt
>atainst it." (*The Chinese Social and Political Science Review*, XV, 4
>January, 1932)

        For  Hu,  the   "Chinese reformation  of revolution  within 
        Buddhism"  of the eighth   century   consisted   in  the  Ch'an

        men's renunciation of Ch'an as meditation in some celestial
        sense, and their  celebration  of what is "plain  and profane." 
        He interprets  these  men  as saying, both when they were clear
        and when they became  enigmatic, that life  and nature, on the
        level  of their  actual immediacy, have a worth beyond  words --

        as far beyond as if transcendent.

        Van Meter Ames, Philosophy East and West 3, no. 1, April 1954



karen
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