Path: shell.portal.com!svc.portal.com!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.jsums.edu!gatech!hookup!multiverse!ragnarok.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!wariat.org!news From: "Fr. John W. Morris +" Newsgroups: alt.apocalypse,alt.atheism,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.blasphemy,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now,alt.evil,alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.wicca,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.satanism,alt.skinheads,rec.drugs.misc,rec.music.christian,talk.atheism,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Anybody in this newsgroup, read this, and let's stop the stupid questions! Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 17:22:56 -0500 Organization: APK - Internet Provider for Ohio. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3166EEC0.5ED5@cannet.com> References: <4gk3rl$3iv@aphex.direct.ca> <31341633.4B87@ubd1.vdospk.com> <4h3dlu$hua@abc.ksu.ksu.edu> <4hnrcq$8ao@taurus.bv.sgi.net> <4hodqo$g96@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <4i1heh$9l3@su3.in.net> <4i29s2$j53@tombstone.kent.edu> <-1203962252390001@iynx.esnet.com> <4ie96u$bbj@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <4iit40$rq2@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <4iv0fv$50s@urvile.msus.edu> <31544321.4B11@wt.net> <4j2q7o$q07@cloner3.netcom.com> <4jq7i3$2df@orb.direct.ca> <3165A104.6D8D@CapAccess.Org> <4k52n9$pir@wi.combase.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1-dyn06.cannet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Xref: shell.portal.com alt.apocalypse:1123 alt.atheism:285276 alt.bible.prophecy:25052 alt.blasphemy:6280 alt.christnet:96355 alt.christnet.second-coming.real-soon-now:18875 alt.evil:24386 alt.magick:71034 alt.pagan:153988 alt.religion.wicca:25679 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black:2889 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:30672 alt.satanism:40914 alt.skinheads:58128 rec.drugs.misc:11456 rec.music.christian:131049 talk.atheism:15982 talk.religion.misc:213039 Matt Giwer wrote: > > Tom Wimsatt wrote: > > >Cthulhu wrote: > >> > > >I suggest you get a copy of Josh McDowell's _More_Than_A_Carpenter_ or > >_Evidence_That_Demands_A_Verdict. Another author you might find helpful is > >Simon Greenleaf although I do not have a specific title to reference. > > If they are the source of your lies, why bother? Fr. John W. Morris responds: Whoever wrote this, has shown their bias. You do not believe in Christ because you do not want to believe. Your mind is already closed. As Time magazine correctly pointed out, much of the so called scholarship that rejects the message of the Bible is written by men and women who already have an agenda that they want to prove. Thus they use the sources to make them say what they want them to say. All of this so called scholarship is bogus. It is not historical. Obviously these Biblical historians have not studied the secular discipline of history, which I have. A true historian looks at the sources with as little bias as possible and then draws his or her conclusions. A true historian does not base his or her interpretations on their own political or religious views, but lets the sources inform him or her on the subject. A true historian does base his or her views of nothing but speculation as do so many of the so called practitioners of the historical critical method of Bible Study. People like those of the Jesus Seminary do not believe in the divinity of Christ or miracles and shape their study of the Bible to reinforce their preconceived bias. The historical fact is that aside from some information about the society and politics of first century Palestine and the Roman Empire there is nothing more that the true historian can discover about Jesus Christ. There is only one source, the New Testament. The historian can only report what the Bible says about Christ. No one is in a position to prove that anything in the Bible is mythology or forged, because we have no documentation to that effect. . We have no sources that indicate that St. Paul perverted the message of Christ. If St. Paul were writing and preaching something different than Christ taught one would think that the 12 Apostle would challenge his ideas, yet we have no evidence that they did. If the Apostles had changed the teaching of Christ, one would think that someone who had heard Christ preach would have challenged them. We have no source that does that All we have is the speculation of a group of people who come up with wild theories to publish books and enhance their position within the academic community. On the other hand, we have nothing to prove that the Biblical account is true. Outside of Christian documents, which are biased towards the Christian religion, we have nothing else to prove that Christ rose from the dead, was born of a virgin or did miracles. Thus, serious historians cannot prove or disprove the New Testament teachings concerning Christ. Therefore, we are left with one thing, faith. If a person lacks faith, there is no way that anyone will be able to prove to them that Christ rose from the dead or did miracles much less that He is God Incarnate, all of which I believe. Fr. John +