From tyagi@bjt.net Mon Dec 23 17:11:52 1996 Return-Path: tyagi@bjt.net Received: from kudonet.com (kudonet.com [165.227.52.1]) by bitsy.hollyfeld.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26157 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:11:49 -0500 Received: from kudo20.kudonet.com by kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA07945; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:58:30 -0800 Received: by kudo20.kudonet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA09683; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:50:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:50:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199612232050.MAA09683@kudo20.kudonet.com> To: tyagi@hollyfeld.org Subject: Christianity/9612.bbltran.l From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Reply-To: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva) Status: O X-Status: >From: attila1@ix.netcom.com(Attila Csanyi) >Newsgroups: alt.bible.prophecy,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.bible,talk.religion.misc,alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.magick.tyagi >Subject: Re: LOVE >Date: 20 Dec 1996 16:24:52 GMT >Organization: Netcom >Lines: 71 >Message-ID: <59eekk$nnd@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> >References: <55oj9n$ito@server-b.cs.interbusiness.it> <32810080.3061@paradise.net> <3282C393.785B@paradise.net> <595a6m$kuk@news.ld.centuryinter.net> <32B8C511.5977@okla.net> <59cmm4$a21@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <32B9FC77.2CEF@nidlink.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: alb-nm1-14.ix.netcom.com >X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Dec 20 10:24:52 AM CST 1996 >Xref: kudonet.com alt.bible.prophecy:37958 alt.christnet:136950 alt.christnet.bible:69129 talk.religion.misc:221014 alt.magick:77435 alt.satanism:47212 alt.magick.tyagi:8493 In <32B9FC77.2CEF@nidlink.com> S & R writes: > >Libertarius wrote: >> >> In alex@place.org (Matthew >> Trevor) writes: >> > >> >In article <32B8C511.5977@okla.net>, charly@okla.net wrote: >> >>One must thoroughly read and study the Bible with an open >> >>mind and heart with no prior convictions or preconceived notions. >> > >> >Is this humanly possible? Even accepting for the moment that you can >> repress >> >all of the "convictions" and "notions" that you're aware of, what of >> the >> >subconscious? >> > >> >Can you prove that you yourself did not read the bible with >> preconceived >> >views? >> > >> >Matthew T. >> >> That is ridiculous. Just by learning the language you speak, you >> acquire "preconceived notions". A friend of mine was one of the >> translators of the Bible to Western Apache (San Carlos, Arizona). The >> Apaches are avid, wild, rodeo-loving COWBOYS. Their closes kin, the >> Navahos they look down upon and detest for the fact that they have >> become sheep herders. He told me about the difficulties he had with >> trying to translate "The Lord is my Shepherd" to Western Apache. >> HACHO-HONAI (the "Giver of Life", their word for "God" just "ain't no >> damned sheepherder. That would be the worst kind of blasphamy! >> So, they translated the passage: THE LORD IS MY COWBOY! >> The same sort of prejudices are present in ALL translations of the >> Bible, and more than that, in ALL BOOKS of the Bible, which were ALL >> written by men who were born and raised into a cultural-linguistic >> group and wrote their books from the point of view of their individual >> and collective prejudices. >> >> Libertarius > > >Libertarius: > > Come on the lord is my cowboy...The Bible has been translated into >many "native" forms. From Hebrew, Greek to NIV etc. The meanings are >still intact. Culture has not stopped the Bible from being transcribed >in a matter to keep its original context in place. > >Rene'e You are ignoring the fact, for example, that Isaiah 7:14 was mistranslated by Greek-speaking Jews way back over 2000 yrs. ago, and used by the writer of Matthew to create the entire Christian doctrine-complex of "virgin birth", Mary-worship, etc... It was also a linguistic misunderstanding by the same writer that put Jesus on the backs of TWO donkeys (Matthew 21). Libertarius