From news.scruz.net!bulb.garlic.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!192.207.105.50!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Tue May 6 19:51:46 1997 Path: news.scruz.net!bulb.garlic.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!192.207.105.50!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: ResLight Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,alt.religion.mormon,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet.theology,alt.christnet.philosophy,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.christnet.bible,alt.christnet,a.bsu.religion Subject: Re: Does HELL exist? Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:09:08 -0700 Organization: Prodigy Internet Lines: 80 Message-ID: <336ABA64.2B81@prodigy.net> References: <227cd$f1d8.2d4@BRANDON> <5ilrv7$a6a@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA> <334FDA70.CBC@utah.uswest.net> <33506EE0.4B9D@cris.com> <5irqf3$8d8@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA> <01bc4912$1b6b3120$de7c399d@keithh> <5j0g29$57a$1@news.inficad.com> <01bc49e2$c8c9dbc0$de7c399d@keithh> <3357b122.81891649@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5j9m0c$vh$2@news.latrobe.edu.au> <335BFEA9.1BFE@wr.com.au> <5jncm5$6qc$1@news.usit.net> <3366CD12.37BB@prodigy.net> <336a14dc.10352937@news.origin.nl> Reply-To: ResLight@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: port22.phil4.prodigy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) To: Ronald Vogelaar Xref: news.scruz.net talk.religion.misc:266714 alt.religion.mormon:108371 alt.religion.christian:215290 alt.christnet.theology:44624 alt.christnet.philosophy:33177 alt.christnet.evangelical:39706 alt.christnet.bible:106754 alt.christnet:225248 Ronald Vogelaar wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:39:46 -0700, ResLight > wrote: > > >marposa@usit.net wrote: > >> > >> Lester wrote: > >> > > > >> There is ALOT of misunderstanding about what hell is. > > > >Hell exists; but as the article by marposa@usit.net shows, it is not a > >fiery burning place of torment. It is the condition of the dead, both > >good and bad, including children who die, from which there will a > >resurrection. The idea of going to heaven or a burning hell at death is > >not in the Bible. > > Hell does not exist yet. Only after the beast (Rev.13) is defeated > (Rev.19:20). The beast, totally isolated from then on, will be > lighting the eternal fire with all its might, as it will be the only > thing left that he's capabel of. In Hebrew this beast is called > Abaddon, in Greek: Apollyon, wich means perverter, corrupter. > The situation that this beast will start is known as Hell (Greek: > Gehennya), or place of eternal fire. The English word Hell comes from a root that means a covering or covered place. Gehenna does not correspond with the English word Hell. Gehenna is the valley outside of Jerusalem. In Jesus' day it was a fiery garbage dump that was kept burning by brimstone (sulphur). Sheol/Hades corresponds better with the original meaning of the English word Hell. The eternal fire is God's fiery jealousy for righteousness which is eternally against all unrighteousness. (Zephaniah 3:8) Those symbolically thrown into Gehenna or the Lake of fire are eternally destroyed, even as Sheol/Hades and death [which came from Adam] are destroyed therein. -- Revelation 20:14; Hosea 13:14, KJV. See http://pages.prodigy.net/reslight for more info. > > > >Yes, babies are sinful from the moment they are conceived due to Adam's > >sin -- else if they were not sinful they would not be in a dying > >condition. > > Come come, where did you read such nonsense? Proof for this cannot be > found in the bible. "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous." - Romans 5:18,19 NAS. "The wages of sin is death." - Romans 6:23. If Adam's sin is not chargeable to babies, then they would not die. There would be no miscarriages and abortion would be not be possible. Newborn babies would not die. "As in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive." - 1 Corinthians 15:22. If babies are not of a sinful nature because of Adam's sin, then the ransom sacrifice of Jesus would not cover them. However, they *are* of a sinful nature because of Adam's sin, therefore the ransom sacrifice of Jesus does cover them as well as the whole human race that has come from Adam. All upon conception are "by nature children of wrath." - Ephesians 2:3. As David said: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." (Psalm 51:5, NAS) David is not saying that his mother committed a sin by conceiving him; he was acknowledging that from his very conception he was in a sinful condition. May Yahweh bless, Ronald Day Restoration Light