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Satyr wrote:
> g0rg30u5_g0rd0n <aethyr-augoeides@cox.SPAMnet> writes:
> 
> 
>>g0rg30u5_g0rd0n wrote:
>>
>>>Ka wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>bloodofenoch@goddamnfruit.com ({ Secret Chief }) wrote:
>>>
> 
>>>>>Or maybe it's the other way around - it hardly matters.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I like that. So an alternative saying might be: "There is no God
>>>>but God" ?
>>>
>>>yes and no. you know this is Muslim in origin? AC has it as 'LA
>>>ALLAH.' Or 'La Allh.' Or 'La Alla.'
>>>GG
>>>
>>
>>Or would the more correct phraseology be: it is /Islamic/ in origin?
>>whatever, the phrase you had there, 'there is no god but god.' has
>>it's origins in the Koran, afaik.
> 
> 
> It's from the "Shahadah", or confession of faith, what one recites in
> order to accept Al Islam:
> 
>   Ash-hadu anla elaha illa-Allah, wa ash-hadu anna Mohammadan
>   rasul-Allah.
> 
> With some minor variations. In English:
> 
>   I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness
>   that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.
> 
> I don't think this exact passage is found in the Qur'an, though.
> 
> 

thanks satyr, i was recalling from an imperfect memory what little i 
have studied of Islam, and don't mind conceding your superior knowledge 
on the topic.

<quote>Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all 
things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy 
One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the 
Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the 
Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute 
to Him.
He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or 
Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the 
heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the 
Exalted in Might, the Wise.
</quote>
(The Holy Quran, Al-Hashr, 59:22-24)

the first and second phrases above (from Al-Hashr) certainly resemble 
the first part of the shahadah, and occurs frequently in the Koran if I 
am remembering correctly. however, that said, i was aware of the general 
context of the shahadah, but was not remembering that this shahadah was 
*NOT* found in the Koran.

gg